Episode 62: Love

Hello and welcome to Wisdom from the

Aerial View, the podcast for those who

wish to crush their anxiety and find

meaning and purpose in their lives. Now,

you might notice that I said that

instead of Enid, who normally starts our

podcast,

and I'm going to now turn it back to

Enid and let her begin our podcast.

>> Let's tell everybody why I did that. I I

decided it wouldn't be nice to hear a

man's voice to start that that and

because I forgot what I was gonna say.

But anyway, you know, but I am glad

we're we're doing this podcast today

because it's a special day and we are

recording this on the first day of a new

month. And it's always nice to get over

an old month and into a new month

particularly since this is a very

important month certainly uh in my life

uh because of Valentine's Day. Why

Valentine's Day? because Valentine's Day

reminds us about the notion of love. And

I said to you the other day, I said,

"Let's talk about love." And I said that

because for a couple of reasons, and if

I make noise, it's because I'm reading

something here. Um, the philosopher

Susan Wolf once wrote, "Only if she

cares fairly deeply about some things,

only if she is gripped, excited,

interested, engaged, or as I've earlier

put it, only if she loves someone. She

talks about loving someone and then

there's this wonderful book written by a

wonderful physician

named Dr. Mark Klene and he wrote

love is not the same as passion. It is

not solely that tingly feeling you get

when you're falling in love or are

infatuated with another. Love is what

results from the development of and

investment in interpersonal

relationships. the positive interaction

with others. Love is of course what we

feel for family and friends, two sides

of the same coin, as we'll see. Love,

however, can also be what we learn to

feel by becoming engaged at just about

any level with many other people, some

of whom are frank strangers. So, you

wrote this book and in it you have a

wonderful chapter about love. Let's talk

about that. Why'd you do that?

>> Yes. Well, you are referring to a book

that I think was written. I actually

have that book in front of me. The title

of the book is The Currency of Life. And

I'm trying to remember when I wrote that

book cuz see this what happens. You

forget forget what you do in your life.

But I'm going to say it's at least uh

let's see here. This was Oh, good

goodness gracious. 16 years ago. My god,

how time flies. Yes.

>> But you still love, don't you?

>> I do love and I love more than ever,

actually. Um, love is the coolest thing.

I mean, it is just the coolest thing.

First of all, when you when you do fall

in love uh with somebody that is I I

think people who have had the

opportunity to fall in love in their

life, that particular

sensation is just fantastic. It's it

it's dis it's disabling. It's

disorienting. It's destabilizing.

You know, it's especially when you're

young, you just you just can't think of

anything else. You're just completely

preoccupied.

>> Truth for men and women.

>> Delicious. It's the lovely, isn't it?

Yeah,

>> it's the lovely. Yeah.

>> And now Enie will will jump into another

song for us.

>> Yes, I will. No, you say it's

debilitating. And I said, "No, it's the

lovely, but yeah." So, tell me why it's

the best thing in the world. Tell me

why.

>> Yeah. So, what's interesting about it is

anybody's gone through this will agree.

He said, "Yeah, it's it's unbelievably

great." But I the reason I say it's

destabilizing and so on is because you

can't you're like not you just can't

find your grounding because you're just

thinking about the other person and

you're going through all these wonderful

emotions

and that's the and that's love. But what

is so cool about love is that it's not

confined to the romantic interest with

another. When you understand what love

really is, it is available

not every single moment of every day but

quite more frequently than you would

believe and not at the same level

obviously. You know, you meet somebody

uh let's say you meet somebody through

an acquaintance or at work or at a party

or anywhere, okay? and you start

chatting and let's say this is not a

romantic uh involvement and there's no

potential for romantic involvement but

you just click and you just feel

something

and all of a sudden you have this uh you

just feel a certain closeness a certain

closeness to the other person who you

just barely met and a concern for the

other person and and where the heck does

that come from and what's interesting

about love to me is its origin um you

know I've written before about tears

about crying and difference between

crying and weeping.

>> So, well, I'm going to we'll start with

that so we can then circle back to love

because it's very I think there's a lot

of similarities.

>> So, when you fall down and you hurt

yourself, which I seem to do way too

often these days, I don't cry. I mostly

laugh, but when you're a kid or whatever

and you fall down, you hurt yourself.

Uh, and you cry. You know, if you've

seen a, you know, I have grandchildren,

they fall down, as soon as they hit the

ground, they start crying. Right. Right.

And you know some you you you're injured

in some way or another and you cry or

okay but then sometimes you feel a

certain utter sadness about something

that's happening in the world or in your

life or to another person and you start

to weep and you don't know where it's

coming from. Nothing hurts. There's no

pain anywhere but you have this

uncontrollable weeping. You can't stop

it. Sometimes it's from something sad

and sometimes from something lovely,

absolutely beautiful, and you don't

really know where it's coming from. And

that's because that kind of weeping is

not coming from the same place as you're

crying when you're injured. That weeping

is coming from a much different place.

It's it's the center of everything,

whatever people want to term it. We

can't put our finger on it, but it's the

core of of who we are and what connects

all of us. And it's the same thing with

love. When you feel this for somebody,

especially if it's not a romantic love,

especially if if it's just the kind of

closeness you feel to somebody you've

just met where you just there's

something about them. You can't you

can't put your finger on it. Did I know

them previously or another life? I I'm

just I'm just kind of kidding here, but

for some reason you feel this utter

closeness. And that also comes from the

same place. The place we can't describe.

The place that where we talked before

about where connection weird connections

occur. We don't understand where these

come from. But these things point us to

a to a a centrality of life, a

universality of life that connects us

all. And that's really where love comes

from. It's something you the reason you

can't describe it. Words never work is

because it's so fundamental. It's it's

it's it's like a fundamental particle in

physics. It's just there. We don't know

where it comes from, but it's in there.

And when it comes out, it's exceptional.

It just the feeling you get is beyond

anything else you can describe.

>> You know, the reason I I was actually

hellbent on doing something about love

is because I I read an article by David

Brooks who um unfortunately is leaving

the New York Times.

>> Is that right?

>> Yeah. He's leaving.

>> I didn't know we were a news show or

this is this breaking news.

>> Breaking news. He's leaving and it's a

mad because I like him a lot. Um, but he

wrote in here, he said, "My own

experience suggests most young people

want loving connections, but they're

anxious about how to go about getting

it, in part because they've never had

any practice. But some of the decline in

romance is driven by sheer lack of

interest. In 1993,

according to an analysis of the

Monitoring and the Future study, 83% of

female 12th graders said they were

likely to choose to get married. By

2023, only 61% of 12th grade girls said

that. A 22 percentage point drop.

They want love, but they can't find that

connection. And you talk about

connections all the time. Talk about

that. Yeah, that's an interesting, you

know, that little I hadn't seen that

study. I think I actually did see that

study recently. Um or or I've heard of

it

>> and the first thought that came to my

mind was that well that's just because

they're getting brainwashed. That has

nothing to do with the fundamental uh

instincts of humanity. They're just

getting brainwashed. Brainwash

>> that you don't have that that a a

significant relationship or a marriage

is not required that you can find

meaning in your work or or you know uh

uh some type of what's the right term

commitment to something whether it be an

organization or a political party or

something like that. And of course this

is just they're going to regret this

now. I I think they'll change their

minds because because the overriding um

uh essence of humanity will will at some

point overcome that in most people. Some

won't, some won't. We won't see the same

kind of marriage rates that we saw

before. It will be lower, but it won't

be I don't think it'll be as

catastrophic as it sounds because people

will in a sense come to their senses

because it's unavoidable, right? But but

I think we we do brainwash people in our

society for sure.

>> Well, I'm not sure it's brainwash. I I

think co has a great deal to do with it.

I think we we live in front of a screen

nowadays. You and I can see we are

talking on a screen. We're not in

person. So the physical connection

>> unfortunately

>> that's right. And I think that's what's

happening to kids. I mean for example

we've had just had snow days o over most

of the country. And what they said in

many of the school districts they said

virtual learning. We don't even have to

go to school anymore. We can do it

online. So I think the physicality with

the physical connection we've broken

that we have broken the physical nature

of things. And I think maybe that's sort

of an impediment to love.

>> I agree with you. I agree with you.

We've talked about this that I'm I'm uh

very much uh against working from home

uh full-time. You know, if you want to

take if it's a day or two, whatever,

that doesn't matter. But working

completely remotely and people who are

in their

>> in their apartments, in their houses,

whatever. Uh whether they whether

they're fully dressed or in their

pajamas, it doesn't matter. This lack of

personal interaction. And I I'll tell

you, so I worked in in a medical

facility, either a hospital or a medical

office for a whole lot of years, right?

And you developed in especially in

especially in a hospital setting. I

think Dr. Riner discussed this when he

was when we interviewed him, the

closeness is quite something. Um I don't

like to compare things to war because

I've never been in war and I don't I

hopefully I never will be and I know

that's that's a level above. Uh but

there is that sense when you're in a

situation of great stress like you are

in a war. It's the same in a hospital.

You're in there and you're and

especially in emergency situations or

critical situations. You just you just

bond with people. You really bond with

people in in a very beautiful way. And I

I've told you that the people I've

worked with over the years and uh

they're my they're my people, right?

They're my team. Um and I still feel

very close to all of them. So that not

every situation is as intense as a as a

medical um environment where you are

many it's not just so it's life and

death but it's taking care of people who

are ill right they don't have to be on

the verge of death but they're ill ill

and that and those that's a big deal you

know they people need you when they're

ill and and this ability to take care of

them is wonderful and I it it's the joy

of my professional life to be able to do

that but when you do that with other

people there's tightness well you don't

have that in you know maybe a regular

office who's doing accounting or legal

work or whatever it might be, marketing,

but you do develop relationships with

those people. You know, there's a I

don't know the number and it doesn't

really matter, but a significant percent

of people find their significant other

from work. And one of the things that

troubled me when we went through all

this meto stuff, which I get, was that

we pushed the pendulum a little too far

and everybody's afraid to talk to

everybody and we've lost that abil some

ability to have those kind of

relationships develop in a work

environment, which is the most natural

place. is probably better than a bar

because you get to really know somebody

a lot better in a work situation. So

that was the beginning of it. Co I'm

sure is a huge factor in that the fact

that we haven't recovered. But I do

think the fact that we have that study

with the high school girls is troubling

because it's telling it's tell it's

giving people bad information, right?

The most important thing you can have in

your life are relationships. They don't

have to be marriage relationships. I'm

not saying that. But they just but

relationships are so critically

important. Um and so to anytime we tell

people that they're not that important

that you can be by yourself in a room

and work on a computer and so on, we're

doing them a disservice. I think your

point was exactly right. We've we've

lost that physicality, that closeness,

that physical closeness.

>> Yeah. And and Brooks goes on to say

this. said, "If you lead a life designed

to maximize personal independence and

autonomy, you'll get to live a

relatively unrestricted life, but you're

more likely to live a low energy life

slower to harbor those great loves for

people, places, God, vocation, and

nation that arouse fervent passions and

yield ardent lives. If on the other

hand, you resist the autonomy ethos and

put loving passion at the center of your

philosophy of life, you'll find yourself

tied down by all sorts of obligations to

things like a spouse, kids, community,

God, and a vocation. But your love for

these things will constitute fires in

the heart, producing great vitality,

full engagement, and increase in

personal force. It's one of the weird

paradoxes of life that the constraints

you choose are the ones that will

actually set you free.

Yeah, that's very well written. Um,

>> and I would say it's even it's not that

I don't want to disagree with anything

he said. Uh, I want to just say that

that when you have those kind of

relationships and those

responsibilities, you can look at them

as as responsibilities or you can look

at them as opportunities to to move

along the uh path of your mission.

Right. Yeah. So when you're a parent,

for instance, uh you are quite

constrained, right? So, you know, from

the time the baby is born, I always

laugh, you know, when you have a newborn

baby shows up, uh, and people go, and I

watch people who've never had a child,

they're the woman is pregnant, they're

about to have their first kid, and, you

know, they're they're so excited, which

they should be, and you know, they're

thinking, "Oh, you know, we'll do this,

we'll do that, we'll do this, and

because you can't imagine how this tiny

little thing of seven pounds can

completely take over the life, your

life, and if you're, you know, if you're

two people together, two lives. It is

quite unbelievable how it happens. You

cannot anticipate it cuz it's but

with the feeling you get from that when

you start to change that camera focus

from yourself to the child which you

have to do unless you're a barbarian and

a horrible human being right then once

you do that yeah it's a lot of work and

it's a lot of time but it is it is

that's how you grow that's how you start

to move along you continue to move along

that that path of your mission to move

from selfish to selfless from inward

focus to outward focus it's a perfect

opportunity to do that. You know, I I'm

very blessed. I have a lot of

grandchildren. Um my three older kids

are all married with with their own kids

and their lives are super hectic and

super busy. Uh and you know, I watched

and they're all great parents. I have to

say they're all great parents. Um and I

and they can't do this, they can't do

that. They're, you know, they're they're

scrambling from, you know, they all of

them work, you know, who's going to

cover this, who's going to cover that.

But I don't think a single one of them

for five seconds would ever trade it for

not being where they are right now. And

that sense of love that you feel for

especially a child, right? Again, that

comes from somewhere else. You know,

think about that. You know, you know,

you think about how your parents loved

you and how close you were to your

parents in it and how they loved you and

you go, where where exactly does that

love come from? In other words, your

parents have this independent life and

all of a sudden you show up. you know,

you were you were second, but you show

up and let's just say you were the first

one. Uh, and they go, "Oh god, I can't

do all the things I was doing before.

This was a terrible idea. What was I

thinking?" But very, very few parents

think that, right? Some do, but very,

very few. And you wonder, where does

that come from? Where does this sense of

this unbelievable level of love come

from? And that's comes from that same

place I was talking about before. You

can't put your finger on it. It comes

from something very central, something

very universal. this this knowledge that

you somehow have that I need to take

care of this person of this new thing. I

need and I and and I can't describe how

I feel about it. All I know is I'd throw

myself in front of a train for it.

Right? This is a very interesting. You

know how I like to dig a couple layers

deep when we talk about these things.

Right?

>> It's easy to say, "Oh yeah, it's your

child. Of course you love your child. Of

course you throw yourself in front of a

train."

>> But why? Why would you do that? Think

about it for a second. Why? That doesn't

make any sense. It's one life for

another life. What? Why should you

sacrifice your life for a child's life?

A life is a life, right? What's it? No,

but they will look at you like you're

insane if you said that because they

have this sense they they can't put

their finger on where it's coming from.

But it's something so deep, so

fundamental that no, I have to do this.

I want to do this. That life is much

more important than mine. Why? Where

does that come from?

>> Yeah. Yeah.

>> Right. It comes from that central focus

where love comes from where where tears

of joy and tears of uh connection come

from.

>> Yeah. But I mean not Yeah. tears of

sorrow a connection something like

friends you watch something tragic

happen in the world an earthquake, a

tornado, a tsunami, whatever it is or

some act of violence, whatever. And you

find yourself choked up and you're

you're about you feel like you want to

cry cuz it's so sad.

Well, you don't know these people. Eight

billion people on the planet. You know,

people die every day. It's nothing new.

What's a big deal? But something about

it, there's a loss. You feel a loss.

It's because it's because we're all

connected. This is what this is what

what I tried to write about when I was

talking about love. Love is is the is a

is a clue to this underlying connection

we all have. You know, do you know what

the mycelium is? This is going to this

is

>> I'm going to take you on a little detour

here. Okay. Right. The myel the

mycelium.

>> Okay.

>> Uh I wrote a whole book about this.

Right.

>> About mycelium. It's a great book. I

read it. Yeah. I'll put it next to my

>> That's a great book. But no, I'm not

kidding. It's a great book. But

underneath all the plants and trees and

everything, there's this network.

There's this network of fungi that

connects everything. It is unreal. It is

like the under It's like a power grid

underground, but everything is connected

through the mcelium. And there are

messages sent between trees and plants

and it is quite unbelievable. This is

not I'm not making this up. You can you

can look it up and there are probably

people out there who know a lot more

about this than me nodding their heads.

But the mcelium is this underlying

connection that we can't see because

it's it's underground. But it connects

everything. It's the network is vast and

almost unimaginable.

And that is a great metaphor or maybe

even maybe it's not even a metaphor

maybe it's accurate of how we're all

connected. So we've talked about how

reality is created that each person

makes a decision and that decision gets

released into the world and then starts

interacting with everybody else's

decisions and that an individual

decision creates a cascade of events.

The interaction with other choices and

decisions made by other people is

impossible to predict the outcome. You

cannot there's no way to know what's

going to happen from any choice which is

why we talk about the fact that there's

no right choice. Your choice creates a

ca cascade of events. it's out of your

hands. It's going to get knocked around

by everybody else's choices and

decisions. You don't know where it's

going to end up, right? And so this this

idea of that we're all connected that

that everybody's decisions make a

difference. All of us together create

reality. We are connected whether we

believe it or not. We're like that

mycelium underground. We don't see it,

right? We don't it's not there no

visible connections between us, but

they're there. And then the reason you

it's and every once in a while it gets

revealed. This network gets revealed and

it gets revealed to a sudden sense of

love. And it may not be romantic love

but somebody you see or hear or meet and

you just feel some connection. You can't

even describe where it came from, right?

It could be between any two people,

right?

Something clicks. Something happens.

Again, it doesn't have to be romantic,

but it's it's like all of a sudden the

connections that my Celo network between

humans is revealed. We are connected. It

is there. We can't see it. I'm not

making this up. It's absolutely true.

>> Are they particles or

>> No, myelium exists. That's real. No,

it's a real network of fungi. I mean,

that's a physical thing.

>> Oh, okay. Okay.

>> I'm just using it as a metaphor for the

connection for humans. Right.

>> Yeah. Right. So,

>> I wrote a book about this. What's the

name of the book? I read a book.

>> I read H I'll have to get the name of it

and send it to you. But uh I read it in

the last couple years. It's actually

quite something. It's amazing.

>> I want to ask you a question. Can you

love someone and not like someone at the

same time?

>> Oh, sure. 100%.

>> Yeah,

>> that's easy. Yeah, it happens.

>> Yeah. What do you think?

>> I think so. I I was reading something

just this morning about um Rob Reiner

and his son and what they went through.

the one that that ultimately ended their

lives. And he said in one something Rob

Reiner said, "Had I known what this was

going to be like, I never would have had

a child." Interesting thing to say. Um

>> Well, hold on, hold on. What What was

going to be like his relationship? You

mean

>> what the the the addiction that this

young man couldn't seem to break? I

mean, he's just he just

>> Oh, I can understand. Okay.

>> Yeah. And so I kept thinking, well, he

he loved the boy, but he didn't like the

boy. And and there is that distinction

and we can. So yes, I think you can love

something and not like some someone at

the same time.

>> Yeah.

>> Yeah. I think with children, um, if you

love your child and you don't like him,

they know. And they don't they don't

translate that into, oh, he loves me,

but he doesn't like me. That translates

into he doesn't love me. Right. I have

no I'm not talking about Robiner in a

situation.

>> That's right. But but um you know and

it's not only children you know we we're

not that when it comes to our own

personal feelings we're not that uh

analytical you know either hurts or it

doesn't we're either happy or sad. I

mean it's very binary.

>> So uh you got to be very careful with

kids. Now I have no idea what look Rob

Riner's situation is absolute tragedy on

every level. I don't think there's any

way around it. Um if you know it was

heartbreaking um you know our good

friend our friend Alan Zel was very good

friends with Rob Reiner and um he talked

about what it meant how he felt it's

it's uh that's that's a tragedy but um I

would say with children

you have to like your children or

they're gonna are they going to read it

as you don't love me

>> right and love this is why love is so

critical you know I'm I'm I this is

think we talk about uh children but um I

believe that if children are know that

they are loved

uh and parents can be strict. I mean I

was a pretty strict father. I'm still

hearing about it all these years later.

But you know parents can be strict but

if your kids know you love them and and

they are right at the top of your list

then then that's what they need. You

need that to get through life and it

carries over. You know what's amazing?

So we, you know, I just saw somebody,

there was a woman I I watched on uh I

think it was CBS this morning or a I

forget which one of those shows.

Morning. So it's a Sunday morning show

about this woman who just died at 105.

She was a lobster woman for like a

hundred years literally. Right. Right.

And so you live, let's say, let's just

say you live 100 years. You're lucky

enough to live a hundred years. Let's

just use that because it's an easy

number. And you're with your parents

probably for about you know maybe 18 of

them, right? And probably by the time

you're 15, you don't really care about

them anymore. So you got about 15 years

of your life that or or so that your

parents have a really big influence on

you. Maybe a little longer, but the vast

majority like at least 80% of your life

is, you know, not dependent on your

parents and you're not that you're not

certainly emotionally as attached. And

you think, wow, how is it that first 15

or 20% affected the rest of the 80%. Cuz

it does. You carry that over, right? You

So, you know, love is love in terms of

parenting is the single most important

thing you can do. Love your kids and

make sure they know you love them,

right? You don't have to agree with

everything. They don't have to agree

with everything you do, but the one

thing that can never be in doubt is that

love that you arm kids with that from

the time they're born. And most of them

will be fine. Not all of them, of

course, but most of them will be fine.

The vast majority will be fine. It's

when you doubt that love, then you doubt

yourself and then things start to go off

the rails. Now, I don't know what

happened with Robin. I'm not I would

never judge. Never. I'm sure they I'm

going to guess they did the best they

could. I have no idea. And it's just a

tragedy.

>> But sometimes it doesn't work. Sometimes

the magic works, sometimes it doesn't.

>> You know, you're talking about loving

your kids. I think the one thing that we

need to never forget also is to love

ourselves. Because when we stop loving

ourselves, believing in ourselves, we

lose a lot. We don't make we sometimes

we might not have to like ourselves but

we need to love ourselves and I mean

that in that that's part of the meaning

of why we're here. I believe that in

fact you wrote in your book I was going

to end with this. You wrote the currency

of life is love and it manifests as

helping others not just for their

benefit but the but equally for the

self-satisfaction

and personal growth it provides. It is

manifested when we are kind and

generous, loyal and forgiving,

empathetic and compassionate. Love, the

real currency of life, is the

accumulation of thousands of individual

interpersonal interactions. As we pass

through this life, what we need to save

and spend wisely is love. In all ways,

just described love. You said it. I

agree. No, you know what's interesting

about uh I I'll leave you with this. So

why did I say love is the currency of

life? In the beginning of that chapter

talks about other currencies like money

and things like that. So why did I say

that um love is the currency of life?

The currency of life has to be available

to everybody equally, right? It has to

be ubiquitous. So

fame cannot be the currency of life.

Only a few people have fame. Wealth

cannot be the currency of life. Not that

many people are wealthy. A a tiny

fraction of the planet. Power cannot be

the currency of life. Most people are

not super powerful. There's very few

super powerful people in the world.

These things cannot be the currency of

life because they are not equally

available to all. And and the reason we

know it has to be equally available all

just to again to reiterate is because we

all participate equally in the creation

of reality. Every choice contributes to

the creation of reality. Every choice

initiates that cascade of events the

outcome of which we cannot predict.

Reality is create is created equally by

everybody. So the so we know that

everybody participates in the world. So

the currency of life has to be something

available to everybody. It cannot be

fame, power or wealth because that is

not. But love is love is available to

everybody. It is a the it is um an

undepable resource. You can get as much

as you need. I remember when my kids

were young and we're going through

something as a family and I said to

them, "Look, you can never have too many

people love you. You will never have too

many people love you. Don't limit the

number of people that can love you. The

more love you get, the better you're

going to be. And the more love you give,

the better you're going to be." And you,

Enid, who spent her life

using her using your fundamental source

of love to take care of people,

especially to feed feed the elderly.

You've learned that, right? That's what

it's about. The more love that you give,

the more love you receive, the better.

>> Love is the currency of life.

>> It is. It is. It's beautiful. It's a

beautiful notion. It's a beautiful

thought. And and I think that we should

really talk about that all the time.

Even if we just talk to ourselves about

it, you have to it's all about meaning.

What is the meaning? And you say it's

the currency of life. And I also say I

think it's the meaning of life.

>> It is. Well, I I just want to say one

quick comment before we go about loving

yourself. It's very interesting that you

said that. I had to think about that.

>> Um that you said you have to love

yourself even if you don't like

yourself.

>> So I think what you're saying is you

have to give yourself some cut yourself

some slack. But but I think you also

agree that you have to set your bar

pretty high. You have to you have to

demand enough of yourself, right?

>> But I think that's true. You can't give

up on yourself. I think you're right

about that.

>> That's a very good point.

>> As soon as we start giving up on

ourselves, we give up on everything

else. And then it's for not. So I I

that's important. I think this

discussion is important. I think love is

important. When you think about all the

songs that have ever been written, the

one theme that has carried through

generation after generation after

generation and and has been the

prominent theme in music has been love.

Love is all you need.

>> You know, it's I I think I've told you

this. You know, I write music. I've

written music when I started in college

on a guitar and I music on piano and

I've written a lot of songs for my wife.

Fair number of songs for my wife and

every single one of them is a love song.

>> I just can't get it out of my head. So,

yeah,

>> seem to get another.

>> That's right. It is.

>> Well, with that, I know that you're on

your way to Spain and I think that's

and we will hear back from you when you

come back and our next podcast will be

done totally in Spanish. Correct. Is

that correct?

>> Well, no.

>> Well, then I'll have Speak English

because I'm not going to Spain.

>> All right. All right. Well, thank you,

Enid. It's great as always. Thank you

everybody for listening. We'll see you

next time.

>> Safe passage.

Peace. Thank you.