Episode 85: Interview with Susan Molinari

Welcome to [music] Wisdom from the Erie

of View, the podcast for those who seek

comfort, joy,

peace, [music] and all good things in

their lives. I changed it a little bit,

Mark. Just to

>> You did. You changed it.

Just to tell our guest what it normally

is supposed to sound like is that What

is it? This is for the podcast for those

who wish to crush their anxiety and find

meaning and purpose in their lives.

>> Well, we're going to talk about that.

>> But Inna has a way of upending me pretty

much every week.

>> Well, I like to keep you on your toes,

huh?

>> She does. So, so Inna, let's introduce

our guest.

>> Oh, I'm going to do that. I am This is

why I'm just so happy to have our guest

today because it's somebody that I have

not known, but as I just told her

before, I knew her father. This shows

you how old I am.

>> [laughter]

>> Our guest is a good friend of Mark's,

and and hopefully will be a good friend

of mine, too. Her name is Susan

Molinari.

And she was a former congresswoman from

Staten Island, New York. So, we have

three New Yorkers on this podcast today,

which always

makes my heart twitter because this is

great.

>> Same.

>> Yeah, after being elected to Congress in

1990, she went on to win

wow,

five times. My goodness, that's that's

that's remarkable. It's terrific, which

is why it's another great reason to have

you on.

And after her time in office, among

other positions, she went on to become

co-host of the CBS News Saturday Morning

Show,

chair of the Century Council, a

nonprofit corporate social

responsibility program. I love it. I

love it. I love it. And then became vice

president of public affairs at Google

for the Americas and oversaw a dozens of

policy offices throughout North and

South America.

Beyond that, she was on the board of

Harvard University's Kennedy School

Institute of Politics, the American

Action Foundation, APCO Worldwide, and I

can go on and on and on. Also, she was

selected as Woman of the Year by Glamour

magazine, something I've never had, I

don't know what

>> No.

>> Nor I.

>> ago.

>> [laughter]

>> No one Nobody ever selected me.

>> Nor Nor I.

>> years ago.

>> Yeah.

>> And And was recognized by Time Magazine

as one of the most

40 most influential people under 40.

That was just about 2 years ago.

>> Yeah.

>> But to

me, the most interesting thing on your

resume is something that I'm I'm really

excited about, and that was the American

Italian Food Coalition.

>> [laughter]

>> Yes.

>> The chairwoman of the Food Coalition. We

have to go into that.

We have to talk about that in greater

depth, but my goodness, the American

Italian Food Coalition. Now, I can say

half of that, I'm an American, I'm not

Italian, but I like food.

>> And I bet you like Italian food.

>> I like Italian I like Italian anything,

and Mark is half Italian, so we're

pretty good. Anyway, we're so delighted

to have you here, we really are, and I

Mark Mark is like, "You've got to meet

my friend, you've got to meet my friend

Susan." I said, "Well, you know, uh I've

heard of her, I've read about her, I

know everything she's ever done, I agree

with her politically, she's terrific."

Mark said, "I had to ask her a question

because otherwise

>> [laughter]

>> my show here

>> I love you, Leonard.

>> Thank you. Thank you, Susan.

>> I'm actually enjoying this very much,

and as I'm listening, I'm going to be

thinking,

you know, what's she doing with us,

right? I mean, come on, she's so

accomplished, right?

>> Stop it.

>> I know. I know.

>> You guys You guys have changed and saved

a lot of lives, I believe.

>> Well, it is I you know, a joy for me to

have you here. We've known each other

for a while, and uh

you know, one of the reasons I wanted to

uh

uh ask why I asked you to join us uh is

because we we talk a lot about meaning

and purpose,

and you have very clearly uh

embraced some very fundamental

uh

criteria for how to live your life and

what how life should be lived and how to

treat people.

>> [snorts]

>> And I thought besides this gigantic

resume that that have, uh I I've gotten

to know a little bit more about you in

terms of kind of person you are. So, I

thought you would be actually be

a terrific person to talk about these

these topics that are certainly

important to to Enid and me and I know

important to you. So,

I know Enid is chomping at the bit to

ask you about meaning and purpose. So,

[laughter]

>> Yeah.

>> go right ahead, Enid.

>> Well, I'm just intrigued by by what

you've done, you know, and and Mark and

I have been having conversations about

when people are done with one career,

they go on to the next one and they

think about things and does does the

feelings and the work that you did the

last time stop? And with you, they

haven't stopped. You keep going. You

keep going. You are committed. You have

a purpose and your life was meaningful

and is meaningful and will continue to

be meaningful.

>> Thank you.

>> What made you will How you keep doing

How do you keep doing it?

>> Well, I've been blessed that

opportunities come my way.

Um I'd like to think that, you know, and

as you said, you know, my father, so you

know, I was raised at

at at his knee and yeah, he was a

justice warrior.

Um he would take no he would not take no

for an answer when he was fighting on

behalf of his constituents or just doing

what he thought was the right thing and

he very much imbued that in me. Um

And so, you know,

another thing that I'm doing, Enid, is

um we're working um with a coalition to

create female crash test dummies because

right now there are none. And so, that's

something that goes kind of to the heart

of um

what I did in my congressional career.

What I'd like to do was to find those

niches where nobody else was working

and speaking for the people who had no

voice in the congressional chamber. So,

I worked with Joe Biden on the Violence

Against Women Act, on the rape DNA kits,

on businesses um associates. I was

co-chair with Elizabeth Dole on the

glass ceiling. Um so, these are things

that have always again

you know, I've been so blessed that

if I can do that, I feel good about

myself and really at this stage in my

life, it is what totally fires me up

still.

>> I love it. And Beck, I read your article

in the Charleston Gazette-Mail about

like female crash dummies. Yeah.

>> You've done your research.

>> Well, I you know, I got I got I get paid

so much to do this that I have

[laughter]

do this. Yeah. But but it was an

intriguing piece cuz I never really

thought about the fact that

they don't care about us in car crashes.

God forbid. So, yeah, the the piece was

great. I was glad that you did that. I'm

I'm glad that you're vocal about these

things. Keep it up. We need this.

>> Well, you know what? It's interesting

you need that and Mark Steyn, I don't

know if you've read it, but

in 1970, they decided

they designed the first male crash test

dummy.

In the 1990, they decided, well, maybe

we should take care of women, too. So,

they just shrunk it. Well, what they

call shrink and pink it, right? They

just took the male crash test dummy and

put it in the driver in the passenger

seat. So, we still don't have one that

is biofidelic to women even though by

DOT's own estimates, we're 73% more

likely to be injured in a car crash, 17%

more likely to die and even with the

little shrink pink, they didn't even put

us in the driver seat yet. So, um,

that's something that just kind of goes

to my gut.

Anyway, that's one of the things I do.

>> I'm trying to figure out why I'm here. I

think I'm going to get my wife to take

over [laughter] because I'm in the you

got you need another woman here. I'm I'm

useless at the moment.

>> No, no, no, no, no. We're We can talk

about stoicism and all those things.

>> [laughter]

>> No, it

I actually did read about Well, you we

we had um

coffee at not too long ago and I

remember you telling me about that and I

did read an article about about that

afterwards. Which was interesting cuz

who, you know, no offense, but who who

thinks about these things? I guess when

you

I mean, I wouldn't even know whether the

male crash dummies are are anatomically

correct in the terms of injury. So, the

point is it's it's interesting that that

you took up it to me that is just an

expression of you know, what it is

you're really after.

So, you and I have talked, you know,

many times about about life in general

and why we're here and you know, the

things I I like to

obsess about.

>> [laughter]

>> So, but it's interesting to me that you

have like you and I said you can

continue to pursue

not only these issues, but there's

something to me uh

there's a deeper level to that, right?

There's a reason that you

don't just

take say, "Look, I've done all the

stuff. Look at my CV. I've got I've got

so many important jobs and so much work.

It's time to just, you know, take it

easy and it's not my problem anymore."

But, you don't do that. And so, the

question is, you know, what is it that

motivates you to

like you and I said not to keep going,

but not in just in terms of doing

projects. What is it you're after?

>> Mhm.

Well, that's a good question. What

motivates me? Partially ego, let's be

honest about [laughter] it.

It's still nice after all these years to

be called to do something.

Um and have somebody who trusts you with

with their efforts.

Um and you know, I look I and I do take

it easy. I as I said and I'll say a

hundred times I've been blessed. My

husband and I just celebrated our 32nd

wedding anniversary. My two children are

employed at this moment. Anyway,

[laughter]

they're both healthy. We talk almost

every day. So, that's kind of enough,

right? I mean, that's that's 99% of it.

But, um I do um

>> [clears throat]

>> get a feeling of fulfillment when you

can do nice things for people. Like, you

know, not to toot my own horn, but you

know, I walk down a street and if

there's a homeless guy there, I go buy

him pizza. You know, it's just all

right, it's like

the conversation I think we once had Is

there anything intrinsic because when

you actually give something to somebody

you get something back. So is that

intrinsic? I don't know, but that's my

philosophical question.

And and so now that I'm

semi-retired or pretty much retired, I

do actually

enjoy my day and get motivated by doing

little nice things for people.

>> You know, I

When we first met it became clear to me

I I don't know why this happened Susan

you know, but there are certain people

you meet and you just know this is a

good person. This is an interesting

person. This is somebody that's worth

spending time talking to and so I think

what you're saying is the things we talk

about all the time that it's almost like

cheating when you feel when you do

things for other people you feel so

great you go you feel a little guilty

like I can't really take I feel too good

right maybe maybe I don't right you know

what I'm talking about?

>> Yes, but I also want to bring up a

conversation that I had with you and I

was concerned about my children who are

adults now and and the direction and you

know, what did I do? Did I do it right?

You know, all those questions we

constantly ask ourselves or at least I

constantly ask myself. I don't think

your wife does that

she doesn't have anxiety. [laughter]

So

we'll skip we'll skip that. I know, but

I was questioning myself looking back

and you said to me, let me ask you one

question. Are your children kind?

And I said, oh yes, they're very kind

and respectful and you said, I'm going

to cry. Well, then you've done your job.

And that stays with me Mark.

>> Well, I'm I don't remember that actually

but I'm I'm happy you didn't have

another story to tell

>> [laughter]

>> that wasn't quite as flattering. No, I

think that's right. I think that's

right. I think that's what we talk about

all the time and it's why you know, you

made the statement well, it's ego in the

sense that it's ego because you feel

good when you do these things. And it's

so Isn't it interesting that we're wired

that way? Imagine if we were wired that

if we did good deeds, we got nauseous.

Right? Nobody would ever do a good deed,

right? Right? Who wants to be nauseous?

But we're not wired that way, right? We

do a good deed and

we do exactly what you just said. You

feel good and you look around and going,

"I'm feeling a little guilty. I feel too

good about that, you know."

There's There's a Funny you should

mention There's a guy in uh

in Bethesda, Maryland, which is

uh for those people who are listening is

a suburb of of Washington, D.C. And

periodically I'll meet a friend for

lunch or something and and that's a kind

of a good area to meet. There's a lot of

places and it's convenient. It's easy to

park, etc. And there's this guy

um

I think I'm going to guess now he's in

his 60s. He's in a wheelchair.

And he's always sitting in the same

place.

Uh and he's very gregarious and you

know, he always wants to give you a fist

bump and and of course, he's hoping

you'll give him something, you know,

you know, it's some some money. And

you know, so I almost always do.

Uh

and

you know, when I do that, people say to

me, "Well, you know, if you if you just

if you give people who are begging

money, it only encourages them to beg

more." And I think, "Well,

I don't think sitting out in the heat

and begging is like my you know, my idea

of a great job. So, I don't think people

do that unless they really feel

compelled to." And he's also

handicapped. I think he I think he lost

a leg.

Here's the story he told me. Lost a leg

in the military. I don't really care if

the story's true or not. It doesn't

really matter

um to me. But So, anyway, you do a

little thing like that. It's a nothing

It's really a nothing burger, you know.

Um

and of course, you can't help but feel a

little a little, you know, a little jolt

of satisfaction. And like I said, it's

almost a little feeling of guilt. Like

it was easy for me to do. It was really

nothing. Whatever you gave him,

>> [clears throat]>> you know, it's a but you do feel this

little sense of

uh joy. I don't know I don't know what

it is. A sense of fulfillment, meaning,

purpose.

>> Yes.

Yes. And I And I guess I would

>> Now that we're having this therapy

session with me on this topic, that if

more people had that attitude,

wouldn't this be a

safer, kinder, better world? Like, I'm

going back now cuz I just saw the

Odyssey, so I can't stop, you know,

thinking about Zeus's law. To those of

you who haven't seen it, it's if a guest

enters your house, you treat them well

cuz it may be a god. And then they

extended it in the movie to say, well,

anyone that you meet, you should treat

them well cuz they may be a god. And of

course, the whole story is that, you

know, they don't.

>> [laughter]

>> And things didn't turn out very well for

them, so

>> That's right.

>> Um but, you know, that's a very

condensed No spoiler alerts there.

>> Well, so I ask you a question. You You

were talking about doing good and

obviously,

but you were in a dirty business for a

long time, the business of politics. And

I believe it is a I'm in a dirty

business. And you've been entrenched in

it for probably your whole life. And

then you married a politician, too.

>> Yes. Yes.

>> So So politics was in your blood, has

been in your blood, and now it's you're

out of it,

um thankfully. But So, what got you,

besides your dad, what made you decide

to enter that line? And what made you

decide to leave?

>> Um so, it's just a thing I was

comfortable with, you know, we would

when we when I was very young, they'd

have political meetings at my father's

at our house. Uh when my dad got sworn

in for Congress, he got very sick, so he

couldn't be there. So, I gave the speech

thanking everybody for coming. And so, I

that aspect of the job I was always very

comfortable with. I would see what he

would do to try and win fights. Um and I

do have to tell you that and so, there's

just such a part of me, and perhaps why

I'm so angry right now, that believed,

still believe it will be again. Um but

this is a noble business that, you know,

they're 90% of the people are there for

the right reason and do lead with

passion. And I have to tell you,

I know I sound like a Pollyanna, but

when I was there, there was a lot of

bipartisan agreements and a respect for

one another. Like, when I watch some of

these Senate hearings

where members of the administration come

in and just

crucify other senators in the Senate

that even a Republican, no, no, like

this is not help. We do not conduct

ourselves like this. We don't curse when

we're on the stand. We don't treat our,

you know, people who are coming to

testify. You can be tough on them, but

you don't have to be sadistically rude.

Um, and I just didn't see a lot of that.

Um,

you know, maybe because I was, you know,

the only Republican in the New York

delegation, but I worked with Daniel

Patrick Moynihan. I worked with Al

D'Amato. I worked with Chuck Schumer. I

mean, yes, we would fight. Yes, we would

have political issues. Sometimes they'd

even come in campaign against me. But if

there was something that we needed to do

together,

we did it. Because our districts

overlapped, we did it. It just was a

whole different um, it really was a

different time.

>> Yeah.

>> You know, I would say, you know, so we

don't we have a no politics rule on

this, so I'm not telling you what to

say. No, no, no, no, no. I shouldn't

have said that. What I meant to say is

you can say anything you want. Even I,

when we talk about it,

>> Got it.

>> Brian stay away. And it's not because

Republicans or Democrats buy sneakers,

too. It's because you know, the things

we talk about. What I would say,

interestingly, is I hate that, too. I

watch I cannot watch a congressional or

senatorial hearing anymore because

they're all rude. Democrats,

Republicans, administration, everybody's

rude, disrespectful, all this cursing on

both sides. It's like, what? So,

>> This isn't just a Republican thing, for

sure.

>> To me, this is a reflection what we talk

about a lot is that is that our society

it's a reflection of the society. It's

not the other way around. The Congress

isn't leading the society. The society

is is giving us the Congress we have. So

that's that's the issue and and it comes

out to what you said earlier about

kindness and how to treat people. And I

actually it's funny you said that about

Zeus's law. I haven't seen the movie yet

but I I'm familiar with that and I've

obviously read the Odyssey many many

years ago. Uh and

I believe very strongly that

how can I put this? That not necessarily

that there's a God walking into your

home but that somebody's paying

attention.

You know, maybe it's like I know you're

Catholic maybe it's a Catholic thing.

I'm not Catholic as you know but you

know, that that somebody's paying

attention and that there is like this

karma thing is real.

It's real. So

and every time I find myself behaving in

a way that I that

I know is not optimal

inevitably

like 5 seconds later somebody I get

whacked in the head one way or another,

right?

>> Totally. Of course, yes. Yes, there is

there is karma and honestly um you know,

when I gave pizza to them and I've done

other things but this one I I was

walking by him. He was really cute. He

had a little sign that said I'll take

anything and then when I smiled at him

he said you have a great smile. I was

like wow, I haven't been flirted with in

50 years. So [laughter]

here's your dollars, sir. Um but what it

came down to was I had been in um an

office that morning and I complimented

this little girl. What's her name? She

was 10 years old and I said well, you

have beautiful hair and her mother

started crying.

See if I can get through this and she

said thank you for saying that. She's

been undergoing chemo.

>> Oh.

>> For 2 years and her hair is just

starting to grow back. So I start

telling this story while I'm getting my

nails done and the woman who next to the

woman doing my nails said,

"My my husband will find out in 5 days

if he's cured."

Mhm.

So, I'm walking back and I'm thinking,

"Wow.

How good is my life?"

So, that was kind of what I was thinking

of when I walked two blocks away and

then said, "Screw it." And walked back

and got him pizza and Gatorade and candy

and chips and things like that just as

almost a thank you to the universe,

Mark. I mean it. That's That's really

what it was. It was like a thank you.

>> It is.

>> Thank you. Thank you.

>> Let's see why I brought up the politics.

I brought it up because not to talk

about politics, although you and I agree

on that, but to to talk about that we

have lost the vision of kindness.

>> Yes.

>> Throughout. But, the reason I was in I'm

intrigued by your political career

because you did so much good while you

were there. You were a champion of so

many things. The other thing that I that

I'm found wonderful in your bio is this

whole um you're on the advisory board of

a organization called We Protect.

About for children. You still give a

great deal of your time

for those who are less fortunate than we

are. And

that's the thing that I find so

compelling about you. You never stopped.

You never stopped.

>> I appreciate that. Thank you so much.

>> Well, it's true. Because you keep giving

back and we have this podcast that we

keep talking about for months and months

we've been doing this about giving back

and why we do it. And so much of it is

because it helps us. We're helping

somebody else, but in the process it

helps us. It makes us better people. And

you have been doing that your entire

life.

>> That's very kind of you to say.

>> doing it. No, I I you I I

I respect you and I think that that our

listeners should understand that it

doesn't stop when a job stops. It

doesn't stop I hate this word retired.

You didn't retire. You never retire. The

only day the day you retire is the day

that you're like 6 ft under.

>> [laughter]

>> You didn't retire and you won't retire

because you have so much more to give.

Mark said, you know, he left his job at

at the radiology with um

but he never retired because he's still

going on. We have so much more to do and

so much more to give in this world and

this life and you're doing it. So you

didn't retire.

>> I mean I mean no and and you know the

truth is

you guys know

yes very you know you have those

priorities when you're younger you have

to go out you have to take care of your

kids you have to feed your kids you have

to have a job you have to do those

things take you know keep the family

together. And then all of a sudden you

know, you find yourself I thought I was

going to be the oh my god I don't have a

job. I thought who am I going to be and

I have a Marcus Aurelius quote about

that if you care.

>> Yeah, let's hear it.

>> Yeah, yeah. So I just I I saw this on

Instagram today.

>> [laughter]

>> And my intellectual vast loans learning

stoicism on Instagram. And it says um

you know, things you shouldn't do tying

your ambition to an identity outcome you

don't necessarily control.

Which I thought God I wish I heard that

when I was like 20.

But um

so now um in addition to some of the

things that I do I've gotten my identity

through friends. I never had time for

like a gaggle of girlfriends where we go

to the movies and meet for lunch and

text each other and be there for each

other and um you know, have that second

family. So and my husband and I are

traveling and have that time together

that we try to make um but you know, cut

it short because you know, there were

just other responsibilities. So you

know, I sort of feel like in many ways

I'm in the gilded age of my life.

>> You know, that's a Yeah. Well, I think

so

when I met you

many years ago, and I don't know how

this

I don't know why this happens, but I

I'm I alluded to it before.

Sometimes I just get a chance I can just

kind of see into somebody's heart.

And it became clear to me that you would

had a really big heart.

That you care about people, you want to

do the right thing. Yeah, and look, we

all have ambition. You know, I if if

Marcus Aurelius had come to you when you

were 20 and told you that, you would

have gone, "Oh, yeah, right. Right.

Right. Right." You would have blown him

off, right?

>> So, hey, I'm an Aries. They control my

identity.

>> You forget it, right? That's the problem

with all these things, you know, we say,

"I wish I knew that I was young." But

>> Yeah.

>> you know, it we mostly won't listen.

>> theory I know you have a whole theory on

>> That's why we That's why we learning.

>> As we get older.

>> Yes, we get smarter as we get older.

Isn't that crazy? It's completely

backwards, but that's the way it is. So,

but there are certain things we can

learn when we're young, which is that uh

you're in complete control of how you

feel.

That nobody That don't give away that

power cuz that's So, there are certain

things we can teach young people that

are so empowering and and what you just

said is, you know, kindness, you know,

be kind. You know, and and look, it if

you're young and you don't want to be

kind for the right reason, be kind for

the wrong reason, which is it comes back

to you, right?

>> Yeah.

>> Make it Make it selfish. It come back to

you. So,

you know, we we all look back at our

lives and

some of the things we've done and, you

know,

luckily I don't think any of the three

of us have murdered anybody or committed

a felony. I think we're pretty good

people, but we probably done things that

we're not particularly proud of at some

point or another.

Uh but that's okay because

>> Yeah.

>> as long as you keep moving forward and

have that that sense that you clearly

have embraced that A you're super

grateful and B you want to give back as

much as you can. And if it's for the

what what the three of us think is maybe

the wrong reason cuz we feel so good

when it happens, that's okay, too,

right? It's okay. It's okay to feel good

when you do things for other people. You

know, I I think that um

this is

to me this is the message that we want

to

we need to flip we need to we need to

convey this message because when you

look at the the place you used to go to,

the House of Representatives of

Congress, the Capitol Hill,

we see the reflection of the society as

I mentioned earlier. It's really bad,

right? And it's up to each of us to

change that. And one of the things we

talk about all the time is you've heard

me say this, Susan, you know, our

mission is to evolve from selfish to

selfless, from inward focus to outward

focus, it's that idea of turning the

camera around. Instead of me me me,

making it about other people. And that's

we've lost that. I mean, our gen your

parents, your father and mother and our

parents,

you know, clearly

that it was never about me me me, right?

In fact, if you if you took yourself too

seriously, you got smacked, [laughter]

right?

Right?

Exactly. And we've kind of lost that.

So,

but that's why we keep trying.

>> Can I tell one story about my my

beginnings in politics? Like it just

shows, I think,

how [clears throat] far we have

devolved. Um so, I was minority leader

of the City Council. I was the only

Republican in all of New York City

government like 27 years old. Ed Koch

was mayor and one day I went down to him

and I said,

"Mr. Mayor, your Secretary of

Transportation just did a whole report

on the Staten Island transportation

system or something and he won't give me

the report."

And Ed Koch said,

"Sit down.

Have a seat on the couch." And I was

like, "No, that's okay. I don't want to

take up your time." "Sit down and get a

cup of coffee." He called the secretary

and said, "Blah blah blah." I couldn't

hear what he said. And then I said,

"Well, thank you so much. You know,

should I go get it? And he said, "No,

you sit here."

And Ross Ann walked over to Koch's

office,

handed me

the the brochure, apologized for it, and

it said to him, "You remember one thing.

We may be different parties, but we got

here the same way.

You respect her."

>> Yeah.

>> So, I, you know,

that was my one of my first lessons as

myself as a politician. So,

you know,

>> That's a good story.

>> It's a great great story.

>> And it happens

>> to be true.

>> Did he ask you how he's doing?

>> [laughter]

>> Probably.

I'm doubtful.

>> Probably. So, I wanted to

you can you can explain why I said that.

>> Yeah, but that was his big line, right?

He

>> That's a big line.

>> egos, he would walk the streets or

anybody he meet, he'd go, "How am I

doing?"

>> Like, how am I doing?

>> [laughter]

>> That's right.

>> Okay, I just want to quote. We did a a

podcast a a whole podcast on the

difference between happiness and joy.

And

>> Oh.

>> And I Let me ask you. I know we're

talking about things that make us happy,

but tell me what brings you joy? What

brought you joy? And what brings you joy

now?

Not happiness.

>> I was going to try I know I was going to

do this cuz I think we're video. Um

So, my kids, obviously, when my kids

just decide to text me or call me, and

it's sweet, and it's not complaining or

asking for money.

>> [laughter]

>> Those reasons aside,

>> That makes you happy. Yeah.

>> But but um you know, I I have um adopted

dog and an adopted cat.

And I am rarely happier in my life right

now when my husband's home, I'm home,

and I'm with my cat and

>> Well, we lost you, Susan. Can you hear

me?

>> Yeah, we lost our we lost our guest.

>> [laughter]

>> I guess she's Well, she's most happy

Susan not talking to us anymore.

>> I think that's right. Well, it's okay

cuz we have we actually have come to the

end of the show. So,

I know you can hear us, right, Susan?

Yes, she's nodding. So, unfortunately,

we have lost her for the last 30

seconds. But,

uh since you can hear us, I just want to

tell you how how grateful we are that

you took the time to do this. You're a

remarkable person. I'm glad to call you

a friend and uh

uh maybe we'll She just threw us a kiss,

by the way. Thank you so much. And we

will we will

hopefully do this again. Oh, and a

heart, too. It's so sweet.

>> And I'm glad

we used her and you.

>> [music]

>> That's great. So, good. This is great.

>> All right. So, I will just say thank you

again, Susan, and thank you, Enid, and

thank you everybody for listening and we

will see you next time.

>> [music]

>> Thank you and peace.