Episode 75: The Many Faces of Peace

Welcome to Wisdom from the Aerial View,

the podcast for those who wish to crush

their anxiety and find meaning and

purpose in their lives. Hello, Dr.

Klein. How are you today?

>> Hello, Enid. So, great to see you.

>> It is great to see you. You know, I

should we should tell our listeners that

we are actually recording this on

Memorial Day and so many things strike

me about Memorial Day. Uh the first is

that people say happy Memorial Day.

Well, it's not so happy. We're

celebrating those who've gave their

lives for our country. So, it's not so

happy, but but that be that as it may,

um it made me think a lot about you made

fun of me a couple of weeks back because

I always end the show by saying peace

and I do that for a lot of reasons. I as

a child of the 60s in college, you know,

we always peace was important and it's

important today. So I went down a little

rabbit hole and did a little research on

peace.

Peace is a state of harmony in the

absence of hostility and violence. In a

societal sense, peace is commonly used

to mean a lack of conflict and freedom

from fear of violence between

individuals and groups. And you and I

have been talking about violence. We

both hate violence and therefore we both

love peace. But the English word for

peace came into use in various personal

greetings from about 1300 as a

translation of the Hebrew word shalom

which according to Jewish theology comes

from a Hebrew verb meaning to be

complete whole. Although peace is the

usual translation, it's an incomplete

one because shalom, which is also

cognate with the Arabic salam, has

multiple other meanings in addition to

peace, including justice, good health,

safety, well-being, prosperity, equity,

security, good fortune, and

friendliness, as well as simply the

greeting hello and goodbye. So, let's if

we will today, let's talk about peace.

I'm throwing this at you. You have no

idea what he's gonna talk about. But but

let us do that. Let let's talk about

peace because he goes on. It talks about

in in a peace on a personal level,

peaceful behaviors are kind,

considerate, just and tolerant of others

beliefs. And we talk about that a lot.

Um and let's talk about that today.

Let's talk about peace. peace of mind,

peace of thought, and just plain old

peace. What say you, Doc?

>> Well, this is I'm laughing, of course,

because you never tell me what not

never, but rarely tell you tell me

what's we're going to talk about, even

though I ask you politely

>> and I say please and you say no and then

we hit the record button and off we go.

So, uh, but you know, I like this topic

a lot and I I I never made fun of you

for saying peace. I didn't make fun of

you for any. You make fun of me, but I

don't make fun of you. But anyway, uh

you know, it's funny because I was

thinking as you as you were going

through your description there, I was

thinking there's, you know, peace among

nations, there's peace between people,

and of course there's inner peace,

right? And they all they're all a

variation on the same theme, you know,

uh tranquility is a good word, right?

And I have an interesting story. I just

came back from visiting some of my

grandchildren and I watch them

occasionally just lose their cool and

and these they're young. They're 9 years

old. The oldest the oldest ones are 9

years old. And I watch them lose their

cool and get mad or throw something or

and I I I think I've told you this. I'm

sure I've told you this that I tell I

try and teach all my grandchildren once

they reach a certain age about their

Victor Frankle rule that you know. So I

say, you know, when they when they pitch

a fit, I go I go, "Hey, Victor Frankle,

I know you've told me that a million

times." Okay, I want to tell you that

another million times because it's going

to work. I said, and I always say, "How

do you feel right now? You happy? You

happy that you got mad at your brother

or your sister or your or something else

or you pitched a Are you happy? You feel

good? No, I don't feel good. Of course

not. Nobody feels good when they when

they're angry or upset. I said, but

guess what? You can change it in an

instant. Instantaneously, you have this

power. That's the Victor Frankle rule.

You get to decide how you want to feel.

Why would you choose to feel angry and

and ex experience a lack of tranquility

or a lack of peace when you have the

option to do the other to do the

opposite to feel peace to to be tranquil

you get to control it now when when one

of them said to me you've told me this a

million times I think actually the two

older ones said both told me at one

point over the last few days that I've

told them that a million times I said

well I'm going to keep going because if

you practice it you're going to be a lot

happier I said you know you know I love

you I want you to be tranquil and

peaceful and happy and when you when you

when you get angry about things like

this you're the exact opposite and I

know that's no fun cuz I have suffered

that many many times in my life

especially when I was a kid and the

earlier you learn it of course seen it

the better off you are right so you know

this is this is inner peace you know so

many people I would say the vast

majority of people on this planet uh are

not expert at at exercising the Victor

Franco rule and do get angry and do get

upset said and do picture a fit. Uh and

of course it it just cascades into this

uh horrible uh proliferation of events

that creates sometimes violence reaction

creates violence among people, you know,

um whether they be related or not. And

we see that happening obviously on a

societal level with all these uh

shootings and stabbings and and uh

attacks on people uh that we see in the

news just about every day. And the irony

is it's it's not it's it is remarkably

simple to avoid, right? These are people

who feel victimized that somebody's

taking advantage of them. And of course,

the whole idea that somebody can take

advantage of you is foolish. Nobody can

take advantage of you unless you let

them because again, you get to decide

how you feel. If somebody rips you off

or does something terrible to you, that

event has happened. But the next part is

how you feel about it, right? you can

get get really upset and I've I've taken

me many many years to get to this and

I'm still not nearly as good as my wife

as you know but uh I'll give you an

example. So we had rented a car uh and I

had come out of a just parked in a

little in a strip shopping center

parking lot basically it was actually

was a medical center parking lot and I

came out and I could see a bunch of

scratches along the tire well on the uh

driver's side and clearly they were not

there before. I would have noticed that

when I picked up the car a day or two

earlier. I'm thinking, "Oh gosh, you

know, somebody sideswiped this car

pulling out of this lot." You know, I

haven't insurance, you know, and so in

the old days, I would have gotten really

upset. I would have gotten really mad.

Um,

and now I thought, okay, well, what's

going to happen? Well, you know, I have

insurance. I don't know what, you know,

cost me a deductible, whatever it is.

You know, it's fortunately that's not

going to change my life. It's not that

much money, but um and it's a pain in

the neck. I don't have to go through all

this stuff, but you know, I don't have

to pitch a fit. I don't have to ruin my

day. I don't have to get upset. That's

in my control. And that's how it is for

most of us. So, to start out your

conversation about peace, I think inner

peace is what people want more than

anything. And the great irony is that in

a society that's full of turmoil that we

have the power to control that to

control whether or not we are tranquil

and have inner peace or whether you are

angry and violent and disturbed. It and

I think the fact that most people don't

know this uh is is such a shame. It

would be a much better world for so many

people, not just my young grandchildren,

but for adults and people of all ages.

Well, you know, one of the reasons I

wanted to talk about peace today is

because, you know, you and I have had

this conversation before. You wrote a

book about the aerial view, and it

always occurred to me that the wording

was wrong. I mean, we think about the

aerial view as though you're going to um

go up into the ether and look down at

people, the aerial view, but but in

fact, the aerial view is the peaceful

view, isn't it? It's about finding the

inner peace. It's about not allowing

others to put sort of um to take you out

of a peaceful environment. And so

therefore, I think you should change the

name of your book to wisdom from the

peaceful view and to find meaning and

peace in your life. But but I'm sort of

making a little bit of a joke. But but

the aerial view is about the peaceful

view, is it not?

>> Yes. I think look, you know, you've told

me many times that I have the wrong

title. I had the wrong title for that

book and and I think you're probably

right. Uh

>> you know I didn't think hard enough

about it but I mean

>> me and you should have

>> and and from now on I'm not doing

anything without consulting with you. I

don't even know what I'm thinking about.

I would actually yeah I mean I don't

even know why I would consider anything

else. In fact I I need like that you

know the red telephone on my desk so

whenever I need have a question I can

you will immediately pick it up and and

help me through this. So

>> pick it up but Okay. Yeah. Yeah.

I I do think that it is about peace. I

peace is very important. We forget it's

not just a word. It's a very meaningful

word and it means a great deal to a

great many people. Later on I I want to

talk about in in fact what it means in

religious belief because religions

are also very much involved with the

notion of peace. So therefore let's talk

about you changing the name of your

book. But no seriously it is about peace

is it not?

>> Yeah. The aerial view is a perspective

that at the end of the day should bring

you tranquility, peace, purpose uh and

and a and a pathway to follow that

brings almost at a very very high level

of probability peace into your life

almost completely. So uh and I and we

again we spent a couple weeks so talking

with my wife about this and uh she where

how she has come to this because she's

extremely peaceful all the time.

>> But uh and but this idea that we have

control over that is so important. This

is why I try to teach my grandchildren

this because the earlier you learn this

it is when I say it's a superpower I am

not kidding. It is a superpower. I mean,

I've watched people I've had people in

my life, I've told you about some of

them who who just rarely get flustered

and rarely get upset and you're like,

"Wow, how do they do this?" And of

course, they either instinctively or

have been taught the Victor Franker

rule. They're in control of how they

feel. It's quite impressive, right? So,

I don't know a single person who prefers

to be angry and upset rather than

peaceful and tranquil. So, you know, we

all want the same thing. everybody. I

don't think there's a person on the

planet who who who does not have a

severe mental illness and I mean a real

severe mental illness not the kind of

silly stuff we talk about a lot but real

mental illness that doesn't want to

reach that that stage in their life

where they can control how they feel and

it is certainly possible that that is

diffic

you have to decide um what you want to

do you know you know I was talking the

other day with some people and when they

found out how old I I I was uh they were

a little surprised that I was doing the

things that I'm doing. And and you and I

share this idea that you just there's no

there's no uh time limit. You don't say,

"Okay, I've reached this age, therefore

I'm not doing anything useful anymore."

You continue to go until you can't be

until you're unable and capable for some

reason or another to make a positive

impact on others and on the world. And

that's that's what you do every day and

you've dedicated your life to. And I

feel the same way. That's what we have

to do. And that's part of the part of

the purpose. But when you do that, you

also have the uh the opportunity to say

to yourself, okay, since I'm doing

continuing to do things and learn things

and make a contribution, I actually

still have the ability to change the way

I behave to change my behive.

We're not stuck. You're never ever ever

stuck. I don't care how old you are,

right? You're not stuck. And you know,

and I have friends and I've told you

about who say, "Well, look, this is the

way I am. I'm not changing." And I would

think, "Why not? It's not making you

happy. I know this isn't making you

happy. I can see it. Right. So, why

wouldn't you change your perspective or

try something new so that you can reach

the piece that you're talking about?

>> You know, I work uh with the elderly,

with people like me. And one of the

things that that they're constantly

saying is as they get older and older

and older, they say, "Well, I've made

peace with that. I've made peace with

problems with my children. I've made

peace with what?" And I think as we get

older, the whole notion of making peace

with things perhaps it comes too late

because we need to start thinking at a

younger at any age. What does peace mean

to me? And do I equate peace with

happiness? And I think my answer to that

is absolutely. I am happy when I am

peaceful when I know that and maybe

peace and purpose are the same thing.

When I know I have found my purpose, I

think I have found my peace. My inner

peace therefore becomes my outer peace.

When I'm happy and I found my purpose at

any age, I have found my peace. What do

you think?

>> Well, a couple things. One is I, and

this is true. I'm not just saying this

because we're best buddies, but I don't

think of you as elderly. I don't even

know what that word means. Elderly to me

is you can't do you can't function by

yourself. you need help to do the basic

things of life or you've lost your uh

capacity to uh to reason and to think.

You know, that's what that means to me.

I don't look at you that way because I

don't think you're really a whole lot

different than you were 40 years ago.

You're still striving. You're still

trying to help as many people as you

can. I don't think you've lost a neuron.

In fact, I'm sure you have. The neurons

you have are working better than ever.

So, I don't look at it that way. Um, the

other thing you said was, you know,

maybe it's too late. And of course, I

think you all I you and I agree it's

never too late because we're trying to

complete a mission. That mission

>> is to prepare for what comes next to

make that evolution from selfish to

selfless in with that with focus. The

earlier you do it, the better because

you're going to have more moments of

peace in your life than than anxiety and

and aggravation.

>> Um, so the earlier the better, right?

You learn it when you learn it when

you're nine. It's a lot better when you

learn it when you're 60, right? So I the

earlier the better, but it's never too

late. And I I don't have this is going

to sound terrible, but I don't really

have patience for people say, "Well,

this is who I am, and too bad." Okay.

Well, if you want to be miserable, go

ahead. I'd like I I care about you. I

don't even know you, but I care about

you. I don't want to see you miserable,

right? And I can tell you there's a way

to not be miserable. That's what we're

talking about right now, right? To to

understand you're in control of your of

your emotions. You're in control of how

you feel. You get to determine your

outlook on life. You get to determine

your perspective. Nobody's shoving it

down your throat unless you let them.

Nobody's taking advantage of you unless

you let them. And if somebody takes

advantage of you, we've talked about

this a lot. It's not your problem.

Unless they take advantage of you and

they take all your money and you're now

bankrupt and destitute, you have to live

on the street. Okay, then it's your

problem. But, you know, other than that,

at the lesser times and people take

advantage of you, they fool you, they,

you know, they they lead you into

something that is not kind. Okay, that's

that's not your problem. That's their

problem. You'll learn from it. you know,

you'll be a little more careful next

time, but you're not diminished. We talk

about this all the time. You can only

dimin be diminished by your own

misdeeds. You cannot be diminished by

the misdeeds of others, only by your

own. So, this idea of ownership of who

you are and what you how you feel is so

powerful. And that's again, you know,

I'm sure people have heard us say this a

million times. This is the biggest

problem in our society. We've taught

kids the exact opposite that you're a

victim of everything. the colonial

oppressors or whatever. You know,

somebody has oppressed you somewhere and

you've been a victim and now you got to

fight back and get your rifle. Dude,

wait. That's not going to make anybody

happy. That's not going to bring the

peace that you're talking about. You are

right on. That is never going to bring

people peace. Feeling like a victim and

feeling like you're owed something will

never ever ever bring you peace. Peace

will come from the things we've talked

about. From becoming a person of

substance, from having meaning, from

having purpose, for giving to others.

This is where your peace and

understanding the Victor Franker rule.

That's where peace comes from and it's

it's all in your control. It's amazing.

Right.

>> So, do you believe then that if you've

got you're in a situation that is

stressful because somebody is

uh being unkind, shall we say? Is it

your belief then that you should walk

away from that person or try to change

that person or do you remain friends? Do

you unfriend somebody? What do you do?

That is such a great question because

there's two ways to look at this. There

are people who I very who I know very

well who would say, you know what, I'm

not wasting my this point in my life.

I'm not wasting my time with these

people. If they don't bring a positive

uh impact, if they're not kind, if

they're not generous, if they're not,

you know, if they're not doing something

to make my life more positive, sorry,

but I'm walking away. And of course, me

being the dope that I am would say, but

no, no, no, no. We have to help them.

It's our responsibility to help them.

and the other side of the coin is

saying, "I'm not help. I'm wasting my

time." You want to help them, go ahead.

I'm not wasting my time. And I go,

"Yeah, I kind of feel like I have to

help him." So, it depends on your per

point of view. There's no right here.

There's no right or wrong. I absolutely

understand people go, you know, life is

short. I'm not wasting my time with

these people. I get it. My feeling is,

well, that's kind of why I'm here to

waste time with these people and to try

and help them if I can. If they're not

interested, I can't make them do

something. I can just offer them, you

know, my my my assistance, my kind, my

kindness, my words. what whatever you

know I can try and and I will tell you a

lot of times it doesn't work it's okay I

gave it my best shot but I kept how

people

>> what did you do then you walked away

then you finally said okay

>> I very rarely walk away very rarely um

in fact I'm trying to think when I've

walked away permanently I don't think

I've ever walked away permanently no

matter what so I've had people who I've

been friendly with who have grossly

disappointed me really grossly

Uh, but I kept like a little teeny

little link, a little thin thread

between us. I didn't quite cut it off

cuz you and sometimes they come back.

Sometimes they have whatever their own

internal epiphany and they come back and

they don't necessarily have to say,

"Gee, I'm sorry I treated you that way.

I don't really need the apology. I don't

care about that." But the fact that

they're back is good. And I like to see

that they've made some evolution in

their lives and they're happier and

they're more peaceful. I like that. So,

and if I could be provide a little

assistance, great. That's kind of who I

am. Now, I wouldn't recommend it for

everybody. Um, I shouldn't say that. I

would recommend it for everybody, but

that doesn't mean I expect everybody to

behave that way. They don't have people

get to choose, right? So, that's my

choice. It's kind of What about you?

Tell me what you think about that.

>> Let me But let me ask you this.

>> No, no, I want you to answer the

question. What do you think about your

own question?

>> Oh, I'll walk away. I yeah, I just

figure

um that it's just not worth it. And

therefore, I don't want to put my

philosophy, if you will, on somebody

else. If you don't if you treat me

unkindly and if you do something that

really disappoints me, uh I don't I

don't have time for that. I'll see you

around. Uh

>> yeah. So, you and I you and I the flip

side of the coin. There's no right or

wrong here.

>> I completely get it. You're not the

first person who who I have who I have

wonder who I have immense respect for

who has said the exact same thing. So I

get it right. I'm fine with that.

>> Yeah. I and I' been very lucky. I've had

that very rarely in my life, but I have

had it. And that's enough. I don't I

don't need it because what it does to me

is it gives me a feeling of unease or

gets me out of my peaceful mode. And I

don't want I know I want peace. And if I

can't have it with you because of

something you're doing, we just we just

don't we clash then. Okay. But you don't

want to walk away in mad so that there's

this friction that's always there.

That's painful and that's not helpful to

anybody.

>> So what I would say to you and to people

who share your position, like I said,

totally legit. I completely get it. Is

to say, well, if you believe you're on

this earth to help as many people as you

can, then uh it seems to me we have a

bit of a responsibility to hang in there

with those people who are trying to give

us a hard time. Remember, you don't have

to lose your peace because somebody else

does something. That's the Victor

Frankle rule, right? You get you get to

they can say whatever they want. Doesn't

have to mean to bother me. And you've

asked me about this sometimes with

certain people we know. And I go, "Yeah,

it's all right." you know, he or she is

acting in a certain way. I get it. But,

you know, it's not I get it. I just kind

of feel kind of worse for them than I do

for me. I'm fine. I I'm not going to let

it bother me. But I do still feel that

responsibility to try and at least be

there should they come back, should they

return or want to return. And, you know,

look, I'm not going to defend this crazy

position of mine, but I sort of do feel

that way. And you know, um, you know, my

wife is Christian, as you know, and and

whenever, you know, we talk about these

things, I go, well, well, isn't it the

Christian thing to do to go ahead and

turn the other cheek and and accept and

be willing and and not throw people away

because of certain behaviors? So, you

know, uh that's kind of that's my take

on it, you know, and and I find for me

it doesn't decrease my peace, it

increases my peace because I know I'm

trying I'm working hard to fulfill my

mission to to do as much as I can for as

many people as I can. And if they blow

me away or treat me unkindly, that's

their problem. It's not my problem. I've

done what I can do, and I will still be

there. Should they turn and come back,

I'll I'll be there. I'll I'll I'll I'll

be ready and I'll accept them back, you

know, assuming they haven't like done

something super heinous, right? You know

what I mean?

>> Right. I would I would accept them back,

too. But in the meantime, while I'm

still here trying to fulfill my mission,

I don't need anybody to interrupt that.

So, you and I just That's how we are on

this issue. It's okay. I mean, that's

fine. You're right. There's no right or

wrong on this. Whatever.

>> That is completely true.

>> Yeah. Yeah. So, I want to talk a little

bit about you talked about your wife

being a Christian and Christianity and

peace. It It's interesting. I was

looking up uh Catholics pray the rosary

and the rosary is prayer that favors the

great gift of peace. That's what the

rosary is. I thought that was very

interesting. I think when we look at

religions of the world,

peace is very much a part of it.

Buddhism believes that peace is attained

by ending pain and suffering. That's

what Buddhism is. Islam is derived from

the root word salam which literally

means peace. Judaism peace is central to

Judaism's core principle and it conotes

a time of universal peace and abundance.

A time when weapons will be turned into

plowshares and lions will sleep with the

lambs.

Religion and peace. Very interesting.

They go together. They are together.

They they are what makes peace peace and

what makes religion religion. And uh I I

think it's sort of a a great um a great

notion that the great religions of the

world and they're all great. If you

believe in something is a great

religion, but it's the the the

fundamental foundation of those

religions is peace. It's

>> important.

>> It's very important. And unfortunately,

like most things that are man-made, they

tend to get they tend to get twisted to

a degree. So, we have seen

>> countless wars over the history of uh

mankind that were based on religious uh

uh issues where I put this where

religions clashed and you say, well,

religions are all these religions are

based on peace and yet how does this

happen, right? How does this happen? So

if you go back, you know, you know, if

Jesus were here and you would say to

him, you know, is there a time for war?

I'm pretty sure he'd say no.

>> Right?

>> There's no time for war.

>> Mhm.

>> Uh is there a time for man to lift up

arms against another? He'd probably say,

"No, turn the other cheek." Right?

>> And so people struggle with this because

wait a minute, if somebody's trying to

hurt me, I should turn the other cheek.

And this is a very interesting concept

and I can tell you that my take on this

is borders on the insane. And I've

written about this. It does border on

the insane. So if somebody's coming at

you or a loved one or a friend with uh a

bat or an axe or something else, your

natural inclination is either to run and

get the hell out of there as fast as you

can or if you have the ability to

confront them and fight back and prevent

those who you care about or anybody from

being injured, right?

And yet that and then and and you might

have to kill that person to stop them.

You might have to shoot them or club

them or somehow do something so that to

end their lives so they stop threatening

the lives of others. And so the question

comes up is that okay? Is that

legitimate? And almost everybody would

say what kind of stupid question is

that? Of course it's legitimate but it

does run up against the problem. It runs

up against the problem, you know, the

Christian problem in other religions of

turning the other cheek, right?

>> You know, thou shalt not kill. It

doesn't say thou shalt not kill except

in self-defense. It says, "Thou shalt

not kill." Hm. This is a problem, right?

So, no saint, almost very few saint

people would say, "Yeah, you're right.

We should just let the guy club us and

our loved ones and we're not going to

hurt him or her cuz we're going to turn

the other cheek." And almost every would

say, "Well, that's that's you're an

idiot. You're you're insane." And I

would tend to agree except I am stuck. I

am stuck on this concept. And the reason

I'm stuck on this concept is because if

it's true, right? If there's another

world, if there's something else, then

then it becomes possible for that to be

accurate. And I'll give you I'll tell

you what I mean. We know that everybody

dies 100%, right? Mortality is 100%

among humans,

>> right? So we know the ending is coming.

It doesn't So it may come we hope it

comes later than earlier. So we can have

fulfilling lives filled with love and

meaningful relationships and so on. But

it is going to come. So then you say,

okay, if everybody's gonna die anyway,

then maybe there is something to this

concept of turning the other cheek,

maybe if there's something that comes

next, if there is another place that we

go, maybe the idea of turning other

cheek isn't so crazy because we will

have fulfilled our mission of peace and

tranquility and treating others with the

greatest um

uh respect in a sense. and and making

sure that we never violate the rule thou

shalt not kill that we follow the rule

to the very end and then perhaps on the

other side it looks different now that's

a leap of faith that almost nobody I

know is willing to take and I don't

recommend that they do it but I get it I

see it so this is why and this is comes

directly from the aerial view when

you're in the aerial view and you see

wow everybody does die holy mackerel

history repeats itself same things

happen again and again and again you

know I told you one of my books is going

to be called if Abraham Lincoln hadn't

been assassinated he'd still be dead now

right the point is death comes to

everybody so maybe this idea of hanging

on to that to that concept of never do

harm to another maybe there is something

to that because we can't see what comes

next a we have to believe that something

comes next which is by itself a

tremendous leap of faith and b we have

no idea what it is if it if it doesn't

exist that's asking a lot of humanity to

say okay I'll just turn the other cheek

and let somebody shoot me stab me or

club me and my loved ones to death

because I want to make sure I never do

anything violent and I'm always uh

conscious of that and I and I never harm

another human being. That's a hard one.

I I I don't I it's very that's almost

impossible for most people to accept yet

there are few some that do and I do

respect that because that is a another

logical uh option among humanity. It

seems crazy to us but it is an option.

It does there is rationale behind it. I

don't think it's logical however but no

>> it's I said there's a certain logic

behind it if you believe that that's

your mission on this earth to you know

to follow that commandment thou shalt

not kill thou shalt not hurt do what

Jesus said turn the other cheek

>> if that there is that logic if you

follow that logic to the end then you

don't ever harm anybody if somebody

comes after you so be it

>> cuz you're going to die at some point

right and you say

>> right so there there's a logic I didn't

say it's logical there is a logic and I

respect that logic Again, I don't know

very many people who could who could

live that, but I get it. And so, this is

what I find so fascinating. When you're

in the aerial view, these concepts that

you would never consider in a billion

years that seem ridiculous, you go, "Oh,

h I do see that. I get it. It's not I I

don't think I can do it, but I get it."

And that's what And that's where you get

peace. When you understand that, that's

the ultimate peace to see as long as I

fulfill my mission and do what I'm

supposed to do, I will be peaceful. I

will have completed my mission. and

whatever comes next, if there is

something next, I'll be good. I'm ready.

So, that kind of tries to bring that

whole idea of peace back to the central

core of what we started with.

>> I just look, we're out of time and I I

guess I'll end this with because we are

recording this on Memorial Day. Uh these

are about people who have given their

lives for our country. And had there not

been war, had there been peace, we

wouldn't have been having to celebrate

this day and their losses. So, let's

pray for peace at all cost because war

never works. War never helps anybody.

And I will end my peace with this PE

saying that I wish you peace. Final

word, doc.

>> Well, yes. So I think Memorial Day it is

incumbent upon all of us to recognize

those who gave their lives for the rest

of us. Uh we don't think about it often

enough. I'm always impressed by the

courage of these people. Uh the

goodness, the kindness, the generosity.

They are they are the uh uh the essence

of of what it is to to give to others.

And so yes, we we we think about them

today and we should think about them all

the time. And and I thank you for

bringing up this topic. It was great

even though you didn't tell me what

we're going to talk about. And I too

wish you peace. So I wish all our

listeners peace and uh thank you all for

listening and we'll see you next time.

>> Next time. Peace.