Episode 57: Moments

Welcome to wisdom from the aerial view, the podcast for those who wish to learn how to crush their anxiety and find meaning and purpose in their lives. Good day, Dr. Klein. How are you, Mark?

Good day, and we should tell everybody that we are recording this on New Year's Day. Now, it won't come out for two or three weeks, probably a few weeks, but Kazina and I like to be ahead of the game. And so we're completely not timely in terms of what's happening in your life at the moment, but these things are universal. So anyway, we want to wish you a very happy new year.

Yes.

Yes, we do.

Yes, we do. And we hope that it is a good year indeed. And you you just mentioned something about we like to get ahead of things. And one of the things I thought we should talk about today, actually you thought we should talk about, but I think you're right. In your book, you always talk about all moments are equivalent. And then on a show we had not that long ago with Dr. Ellen Langer from Harvard, she said basically the same thing, but she said it in a different way. She said, there are only moments. And I think because this is the beginning of a new year, and hopefully a good year, let's talk about what that all means, that moments are equivalent, that time is equivalent. Let's talk about what does that mean because we're about to have 365 days worth of moments.

God willing. So I love this topic, as you know, and when so when Dr. Langer, when Ellen Langer said, she says, Mark, I see this a little differently. So I agree with you, but I see I don't see it differently. I express it differently. I say there are only moments. In one of my books is a chapter called Nothing But Now. And it's the same idea that there are.

God willing, yes.

an infinite number of nows, that every moment is a now in a sense that we look at history, we look at our memories, but in essence, every moment is a new experience. It's an opportunity for a new experience and each moment stands alone. I'll digress for a second and tell you that last week was Christmas, at least for you and me. People listen to this, they'll go, that was like a zillion years ago. It was Christmas and my wife makes this lovely gigantic Christmas dinner the night of Christmas every year. We've had a bunch of people. I've invited you, as you well know, but so far I haven't even been drag you over the finish line, but I'll get you there one day. And it's always very interesting. We have an eclectic group of people. I we had 16 people or so for dinner. And my oldest son used to call this my wife Super Bowl because she loves to decorate. She loves she's like Martha Stewart on steroids and she's a superstar at all of it.

Yes, I do. Next year, I promise.

So the table looks exquisite. are nine million pieces of crystal and silver and everything and shine everything she's accumulated over her lifetime. It's all out there pretty much and it's beautiful. It's actually beautiful. And so I try to say something somewhat intelligent to start off the dinner after I welcome everybody and What I talked about was this idea of moments that all of life is just a sequence of an infinite number of these moments of these nows that exist. And we happen to be in one of them now at this dinner as I was speaking. And here was always, I thought it was interesting. If you looked around the table, we had people literally from many different parts of the world. A lot of people who were not born here, most were, but not all. People of different religions, different cultures, different ages, of course. And here we are, all of us sitting around this table at our home. And if you went back X number of years, pick the number of years, the odds of this group of people, being together at a dinner table in the United States of America, in the state of Maryland, at this particular home, would have been impossible to predict because these people were scattered, some of these people were scattered around the world and you could make absolutely no connection at the time with other people who ended up sitting at this table. You couldn't even imagine how these connections would ever exist, because some of those people didn't expect to be in the United States of America at this point. The fact that this great serendipity occurred, that all these people of different persuasions and different locations and different ages would be sitting around this table is quite interesting. Now, it's not unique. It happens all over the world all the time. But when you stop and think about it, it is quite amazing because we look at life as this river, this river of time that flows from left to right and from the past to the future.

And that is a completely incorrect way to look at the world. It's not an incorrect way to look at the world. It's a fine way look at the world. This just happens to be incorrect. It's inaccurate. There is no river of time that's flowing. That's a myth. And this again, this is not Mises Albert Einstein. If you guys have time, you want to listen, go go on to YouTube, you find a million physicists who will tell you the same thing. I'm not making any of this up. And I'm not a genius who has invented this. It's just the way it is. So what instead there are is this, this infinite number or near infinite number of moments. Some people call it the block universe as if it's all moments are frozen in a block of ice or a loaf of bread, which in each moment is very thin slice of that loaf. But the point is the block of ice exists, the loaf exists, it all exists. There's no river. It's much more accurate to think of time as we discussed many for the last over a year about the jukebox of time. our jukebox of time to refresh people's memories, or if you haven't heard this rant before, you get to hear it now. A better way to look at time is a jukebox, a giant jukebox with infinite number of records and each record represents a moment. And in a regular jukebox, we play one record, then it goes back into its position, another record comes out, play another record and so on. But in the jukebox of time, every record is playing simultaneously and forever, meaning all moments are alive, all moments exist. There's no such thing as a as a past that no longer exists. It is the past to us, but it's still very much alive in its own moment. This is a fantastically difficult concept to wrap your head around, but it is accurate. So once you understand that all moments exist in their own little, I like to say like a slice of Kraft American cheese individually wrapped.

that each moment of time is individually wrapped, exists on its own, and is perpetually playing for eternity, then you start to look at the world differently. Then you could actually look at these moments as little pieces, you can move around a game board. And so the idea of cause and effect changes, past, future and present, as Einstein said, are just an illusion. You start to understand the world differently, then you can appreciate the fact that, wait a minute, if all these moments exist, you can't just take one out and leave this gap and expect the rest of the world to continue. Each moment is important. Each moment has its own place. So it turns out that every moment is critical. So you might say in your life, well, come on, you're telling me that, well, I'm sleeping at two o'clock in the morning is equivalent to my kid has their first birthday party or when I graduated from high school or when we landed on the moon or pick any moment you want. And the answer is yes. because while you're at two o'clock in morning sleeping, somebody around the world is doing something else that might have a major impact on the world going forward at that moment or going forward in the lives of one person or many people, you don't know. So the correct way to look at our lives is this infinite collection of moments. What Dr. Langer said, there are only moments. And so when you do that, then you say, okay, well, if there are only moments and they're all equivalent. maybe I should be paying a little more attention, which is what Dr. Langer calls mindfulness, right? She calls that mindfulness. And then the next thing you realize is, well, if they're all equivalent, I should be paying attention and they're all important, then I guess I should embrace every one of them and not say, I can't wait for this or I can't wait for that, or I hate that this happened and I wish that didn't happen. You start to look at it differently. Look, nobody wants sorrow or loss, tragedy, pain.

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Nobody looks forward to these things. Nobody wants them. Here we are January 1st, 2026, and we're hoping that nobody experiences any of those things. Now we know they will. We know these things will happen. But the correct way to look at them is to understand that they are all part of this story, our own individual story, the story of our world. And so there is a reason to embrace it. There are only moments. And when you do that, you begin to look at your life so much differently, which is what Dr. Langer has spent her career talking about.

Because I guess the question that I have, and I read her book as I said to her, and I read yours, the question that I have is how do you then, and I get what you're saying, and I'm sure that our listeners will get what you're saying, but how do we apply it? How does that become a part of our lives? How do we look at each moment as just another moment and not dwell on the bad? How do we do that?

Okay, that's excellent question. And I've spent a lot of time doing this. And you know my wife, who's, you know, I do put her on a pedestal. She's an exceptional human being. And people who have read my books and heard me talk, they know how I feel about her, how much I respect her and admire her. And so I learned from her because that's how she looks at the world. She doesn't say, I've never heard her say, I can't wait for this. I've never heard her say that. I've never seen her have a bad five minutes.

Yes, she is. love her dearly.

People say, have a bad day? A bad day, she's had a bad five minutes. If something starts to bother her, she immediately recalibrates and that's end of that, right? So what is she doing? She's appreciating every moment for what it is. So I'll tell you a story that is very appropriate for this time of year. My wife knows this very well. I displeased her with this for many years until I finally figured it out. So it has to do with Christmas. So I told you about this dinner we have at Christmas.

Yes, and by the way, I was having Christmas dinner at McDonald's, I'm just saying, you you know, with no fancy china. No, no, no. No, actually, I don't. You're right. Go ahead. I interrupted.

You were not. You were not, because I know you don't eat that. Right. Yeah, that's fine. You can drop me anytime. as we get as this dinner would approach every year, I'd start to get into a near panic because, you know, even though she does all the cooking and most of the work, there's a lot to clean up. There's a lot to set up. There's a lot to, you know, take care of. And of course, I'm never going to let my wife do all this by herself. That would never happen. And it's not, and I just have to do it. And I didn't like it. There were a million dishes. I remember standing up for hours at the end. My back would be killing me. I just doing dish after dish after dish. And again, as I told you, these are not, this is not Chinette. Most of the stuff is not going to the dishwasher, right? And so I just looked at it as I dreaded it. I didn't look forward to it. And here we're having a party with friends and over the years we've had some very, very close friends over for this. And I was getting this all wrong. I couldn't even enjoy it because I was so focused on this. Well, we came up with a solution to help with, we had some friends to help us with the party, which made it a lot easier. But I also completely changed my attitude, which was. What are you doing? You need to embrace this. need to embrace every moment of this. The setup, the dinner, the cleanup, the whole thing. You need to embrace every moment of this. My wife used to say to me, don't rush your life away. And I'd say, what does that even mean? Don't rush your life away. Of course, what she was saying is, don't discard the moments that you don't think are worthwhile because you're making a big mistake. They're all worthwhile. My wife's brilliant about this. And of course, I spent years trying to figure out how she got to this revelation. And we've talked about that a lot that and that's where the aerial view comes in. But it's true. All moments are equivalent. Once you start to appreciate that, I'll tell you why. I've talked about this before, but it's worth repeating. So when I say all moments are equivalent and Dr. Langer

says there are only moments. What are we saying? So I'll give you an example. So I'm not sure this is the greatest example, but I use it a lot and nobody's made me stop. So I'll keep going. So you're a football fan and you watch a football game and your beloved Buffalo Bills are playing and it gets to the end of the game and you've seen this happen. And it just happened the other day when the Buffalo Bills were playing. Who are they playing? They're playing the, it was the last game. Okay, fine. there was a two point conversion, Philadelphia, they came back and it was a two point conversion, right? Right. And at the end, they didn't get the two point conversion, but.

I'm ignoring it. Philadelphia. Mm-hmm. And they didn't do it. Right.

But they also missed the field goal, other things happening during the game. So we focused on the last thing. if he only completed that pass, the receiver was open in the end zone. He's Josh Allen. He's fantastic. He's the MVP from last year. Had he missed this little throw in the end zone, come on, he's the best. But he did. If only he hadn't done that, we would have won the game. You can't just change that moment. If you're going to change that moment, you have to be willing to change other moments in the game. When the good things happen for your team, when the defensive player fell down and your guy caught a touchdown, or when you're running back around 90 yards, or when you return to kickoff, or whatever it might be, you can't pull out an individual moment and expect the game to be the same. You can't pull out an individual moment of life and expect life to be the same. There are no spare moments. There are zero spare moments. This is a very important fact. There are zero spare moments. You can't pull a moment out and say, only, if only, if only. That's not how the world works. Because as we mentioned, every choice, every decision, every action creates a cascade of events, the long-term outcome of which is absolutely impossible to predict. Not because we don't have enough information, but because in the quantum world in which we live, there's only probabilities. You can never know how something is going to turn out, which is why you don't have to fret about a choice. You don't know how it's going to turn out. So there's no such thing as the right or best choice. Same thing here. You can't pull out a moment and expect everything, otherwise the world to stay the same. If you pull out any single moment or any single decision, any choice, any action by any individual anywhere on the planet, the future changes. Where we are now would be different. So that's why every moment counts. And that's why my wife is right. Don't rush your life away. Don't discard moments, even the ones we don't like, even the hard ones, the sad ones. Don't discard them. They're part of our story.

I guess if my issue is, and we're talking about your wife and God bless her, I love her, but we've been talking about moments that are kind of nice moments. We're talking about a Christmas dinner, we're talking about a football, not a nice moment for me, but let me talk about some moments that are not nice, that are tragic. And I know, and I don't want to bring this up, but I know that your wife lost her best friend to cancer. So how did she, I mean, you said she didn't even have bad five minutes.

Ha ha ha.

In the time that she found out, at the time that she found out and subsequent to that, she had to have had a bad five minutes, no?

Yes, okay, so that's a very fair question. So let me explain. she would, when the diagnosis was made and went through all this for all these four years, she had moments that she felt sad, but she would immediately, she used the word correctify, I think her mother used that, she'd really correctify, she'd really change, say, wait a minute, I'm thinking about the wrong things. And so she would just go on, she'd be her best friend, she'd take care of her at the end, she cared for her physically as well as a friend. And that's how she looked at her life. So yes, we're all going to have these bad moments. Everybody's going to have bad moments. Some are just egregious, horrible, and inhumane. You don't want anybody to have to go through this. but they do, they're there. And so you have a choice of how you interpret those moments, what you do with those moments. We've talked again about people who have lost limbs and or been seriously injured in accidents or wars. One of my favorite, fairly recent is this guy, Benjamin Hall, who I've talked about on this podcast, who is a... correspondent for Fox News, believe at that time. think he's, I think it was a Fox News. I don't know if he still is, but he was covering the Ukraine war. His car was bombed twice. His two compatriots were killed. He made his way out. lost at least two limbs, an eye, you know, a bunch of stuff. And his recovery took a long, long time. He very, very barely escaped death. And so he's not physically anywhere near the same person he was. So when you read this guy's books or you listen to him talk, you'd think that this bombing was the greatest thing that ever happened. And you go, how do you do that? Because it changed the way he looked at the world. He appreciates now every single moment, right? Even that moment.

And he doesn't and he makes a case that we're not constrained by our physical ailments or situations. We get to interpret how we feel. He is the epitome of the Victor Franco rule. Right. We get to decide how we feel about everything. So when you see people like that, you don't have to listen to, you know, an airbag like me. You can just look at people who have gone through this. Look, I lost. I've had loss in my life. Fortunately, not that much, but we all had loss. And I look back at those moments and I hated them and I don't wish them on anybody, but. you know, they kind of propelled me into the next phase of my life, which is what happens to people. So this life is a limited time engagement. This is the other thing people forget, right? You've heard me say this so many times. We live our lives as if we make every correct choice and every correct decision, every correct move that we can win. But there's no winning. Winning isn't longevity. No matter how long you live, there's an end date, right? It's a sell by date. Everybody has a sell by date. We don't know when it is. So longevity is not the point of life. It's what you do while you're here. It's what you make of them. Those moments you have, you have an X number of moments. That's the way to look at your life. You're born, you have X number of moments. You don't know what X is. We have no idea. But you got to do something with those X moments. You got to evolve. You got to make that evolution from selfish to selfless, from inward to out to focused. You need to help as many people as you can. You need to make yourself the best person you can. You need to accomplish as many things as you can. It's like the starting line. The gun goes off, you start running. Don't stop. You've heard me say, run through the tape. That's how you have to look at it. So along the line of

Yeah.

that race, stuff's gonna happen. You know, some lives are more blessed than others. I don't know why, but it's just the way it is. But every life has its dark spots and you have to run through those too because you're here on a mission. It's a limited time engagement. There's no winning. Well, I shouldn't say that winning is making the evolution successfully and preparing for what comes next. But in terms of winning, in terms of living forever, no, that's not an option. It will never be an option.

In fact, one of things she said that I really adored, something I keep thinking about all the time, that she said, there's no right decision, but you have to make every decision right. And I love that, that whole notion. It's terrific. It's a way to run your life.

Yes. So expand on that because people who might not have might not have listened to Dr. Langer. on them. But if they didn't.

Well, gets back to what you always say about choices. There are no right choices or wrong choices. It's just a choice. And there's no decision that... In other words, we all think, did I make the right decision? Did I make the right choice? And she's saying it doesn't matter. As long as you make that decision or you make that choice right. No matter what it was, you made it, live with it, and make it right. I think that has opened my eyes a great deal to a lot of different things. I'm looking at the clock. And I don't wanna lose this because we are talking about on New Year's Day. And I wanna throw a little monkey wrench into this. I wanna surprise you with something. Yeah, hey, hey, we're the monkeys. I wanna ask you, when we look at making decisions and choices and all that, 2026, what does it look like to you? What are the decisions that we are going to make? What are the decisions we should make knowing that?

Oh, what are your monkey wrenches? Enid (20:10.7) Whatever decision it is, we have to make it right. And what do you see, what do you envision from the street view and from the aerial view for 2026?

funny you should mention that because just this morning I was thinking yesterday actually I was telling Deneen my wife that you listen to all these pundits on TV that we listen to a podcast I think from the free press and they've always interviewed these people these quote experts but what's gonna happen in the next year well good luck

Yes.

Yeah. Yeah, right.

you know, I know how the world works, you have zero chance of getting actually, I should say you have have a chance of getting it right. And it will be pure luck. Right. Right. You cannot predict the future. And the reason is, because, as we said, there's all these choices made by all these people and the way they're in a quantum world that's probabilistic, you cannot possibly know the outcome of any choice or decision. OK, so I don't know what's going to happen. But I do know what for. So I woke up this morning, I told you this. don't you know, I'm an optimistic person. Everybody who knows me knows that.

Great, sure.

But I was especially optimistic today. Now, it's January 1st. I don't make New Year's resolutions. I don't believe in that. believe if you want to make, if you want to change your life, change it at that moment and don't wait till the calendar changes. So I don't make these resolutions. But I am optimistic. And the question is why on New Year's Day 23 am I optimistic? Now, it may be that come the end, come next January, first, we'll be having this conversation and you'll be whacking your head going, boy, your optimism lasted 10 minutes, you know, and then the world went to hell in a handbasket and that could happen. So why am I optimistic? I'm optimistic for the same reason I always am because nothing is unchangeable. We have the power to change it. It's not like, like we live in a world where the laws of physics say you cannot improve as a person or as a society. You cannot get any better. You're stuck who you are.

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There are no laws of physics that say that. This is in our hands. have in a sense control of a lot of this because it's not so much that it's free will. It's that we can decide how we treat each other. Now, I can guarantee if we treat each other well, the outcome will be much better, will be good. I can't say it's going to be perfect. It never will be. But if we treat each other with kindness and we're good to each other, we change that focus from ourselves to other people, the world will be a better place tomorrow and it will be a good year. So that's why I'm optimistic and I'm energized. And you and I, neither one of us is particularly young chronologically, but I feel this morning, I feel so energized, so motivated to do even more of what we've been doing and talking about. I just know that we have this ability to make such a positive impact on each other's lives and collectively the world that there's no reason not to be optimistic if we were constrained. Let's say we lived in a, we happened to live in a communist country or totalitarian country, we're not going to get into politics at the moment, but we don't. We don't. We still have the ability. if let's say we did, even those people, during those times of the Iron Curtain and communism around the world, there were always people who were trying. There were always people who were making an effort to make the world better, to improve the lot of their fellow men and women and children that always existed, even the worst of times. So we are never completely constrained. is no law of physics that says we can't make the world better. And so what happened? Most communist countries, most of them are gone. That's to say they won't rear their ugly heads again, but people did, freedom did win out to at least to a certain degree. I don't think that's undeniable.

And it will always win out in the end, even though there'll be a sine curve, ups and downs. Goodness will always triumph. Goodness will always triumph. will be be tragedy along the way. There'll be unnecessary loss of life, misery, et cetera. But in the end, goodness will triumph because that's just the way the world is. That's what you see from the aerial view. If you spend time in the aerial view, you look, go, eventually the bad guys lose. No, new bad guys come on the scene. That's true. But eventually the bad guys lose. Now, unfortunately, there's a lot of death and destruction along the way. I wish there weren't, but the bad guys always eventually lose. So that's the reason I'm optimistic. And so if we all try just a little bit harder, we can make a lot of progress in the lives of our fellow citizens. It's just we just can. So all we got to do is put in the effort, you know, turn that camera around and and off we go. And so yeah, I'm very optimistic. That's what I see for 2026.

think that's wonderful. One of the things that we talked about in a prior podcast was about helping others, about volunteering and that. And I still, I'm optimistic that more and more people will volunteer, maybe because they'll lose their jobs and they have nothing else to do. Whatever it takes, as long as we realize that we, I believe we are here to help others, that we have an obligation to do so because we're lucky. You and I were just talking before about how lucky we really are. We have everything we want. I mean, there's, there's, we're not lacking for anything. And I think we're doing this podcast because basically to share that, share the optimism maybe you're more usually the optimist. I'm usually not, but I'm not really that pessimistic. I'm sort of optimistic, but, I think that we need to continue every day to think about turning that camera around and helping other people. And I think your optimism is wearing off on me a little bit. It's kind of scary.

Actually, I was listening to you talk about Dr. Langer and her conversation. I could see we've made some inroads here, haven't we? Yeah, definitely.

It's just getting very scary. know. And I, you know, I'm not one to make predictions. And you're right. We can't say what's going to happen. I know that the Washington Nationals will probably win the World Series in twenty twenty six. They may be the worst team in baseball, but there but there are good there are good things that you know, there there there really are some rocky roads ahead. There's no question about it. There's going to a lot of bumps in the road. No question about that. But as you want to say, those roads will eventually smooth out and things will get better. think the question is we have to start looking at not the present, not how bad things are or how tumultuous things are, but to turn it around and say, no, no, no, just a moment. And the next moment we better. Is that right?

And yes, I think to embrace every moment, but if we each focus on as best we can. Look, you're right, we are very blessed. mean, we've we've we've we've had already had pretty good length of lives and we've done a lot of stuff. and, you know, the other day, somebody said, some some guy won the one point four billion dollar powerball. Right. said, Matt, can you imagine having that? I went, it wouldn't change a thing for me. Now, I'm lucky I can pay my bills. I have a house. I live in a I only have one house, but it's a very nice house. I don't want any more houses. I really don't need anything. And I'm very lucky in that sense. So a billion dollars wouldn't change a thing for me. It'd just make my life more complicated. I don't want to do that anyway. So the point is that, yes, it's easy for us to say, who live in the United States, and we're warm in the winter, and we have food to eat, and so on. Yeah, I mean, it is a little bit easier to be that way. But as I told you, there are people who aren't that way and who've gone through a lot who are super optimistic, which is why I brought up Benjamin Hall. So yeah, people say, well, you're so lucky you can see CZ for you. it's well, no, yeah, it is easy. I I recognize that. But and I've had tough times in my life, but I look at people who have had even tougher times and I look at them and go, wow, they get it. They understand it. This is the key thing. This is a key message to, I think, to take away. One is if you focus on just doing what you can to make your family, your neighbors, your neighborhood, your community a little better. then that's all you can do. That's all you need to do. It's more than enough. It will get the job done. Because that gets magnified by hundreds of millions and billions of people. Then you really got something. So it's not that big a lift, right? It just takes each person. The one thing you can't do is say, well, I have no power. I can't do anything. All the great things that have happened in this world have started with one person. One person started everything. So you don't have to save the whole world, although there's a Bible verse to save one person, it's to save the world.

It's completely accurate, I believe, that if you just focus on that, focus on what can I do to make, to be kind to somebody, to be, you know, a better friend, a better neighbor, a better anything. You know, don't beat people up physically or mentally, right? I'll tell you really another quick story. Well, I don't really have time for this story, but I'll just tell you, I can tell you that if you're good to people and nice to people and kind to people, that karma thing works. It comes back at you. if you want, does it?

Yes.

Yeah, now I want to hear the story though. Now I want to hear the story.

It's a really simple story that I have this company who comes who worked on something in my house and it turns out it was okay. But it's a relatively small company. I like these people. And the woman who is in charge said to me, know, you're always so nice when I talk to you. Thanks very much. Would you write a Google review or something? said, sure. I don't generally do this, but fine. I did it. And then I called a couple of days later because I wanted to pay the bill. So I was going to give her a credit card, give her the credit card. And five minutes later, she calls him back. She goes, Merry Christmas. I went, OK. She said, I'm canceling your payment. I said, why? She said, oh, because you're always so nice. And you wrote that review for me. you're just always so nice. And I really appreciate that. And I went, no, no, no, no. That's OK. Being nice is right. Take the money. want you. I'm more concerned with you. I said this. said, I'm more concerned with you guys than I am with me. I can afford to this bill. Take the money. Your guy came. He spent the time. Well, she would hear none of it, right? you know, was I nice because I wanted to get this bill written off? I know I was gonna do that. No, it's like that bill wasn't that much money wasn't that big a deal to me. So but the point is that if for no other reason, if you're nice to people, and you're kind and you're generous, it will come back to you. So from a very selfish point of view, that's a good reason to be that way, it will come back to you. Right. But the better reason is just do it because it's the right thing to do. And it will make you feel better as you well know. So if everybody just does this January 2026. Just treat everybody a little nicer, be a little kinder, judge people more favorably, give them the break, cut them some slack. And before you know it, you got a couple of billion people doing it you got a pretty good world on your hands.

That's a pretty good note to end on, isn't it? With that, I guess we will end. I would say happy new year to everybody. And I do make it, I hope it's a happy, healthy and heartwarming year. Love you, my friend. Final word.

Amen. Love you too. Thank you everybody for listening. We'll see. think we've covered it all. We'll see you next time. Thanks again. Bye bye.

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