Episode 14: Getting old

Welcome to wisdom from the area of view, a podcast with two old friends sitting around, drawing about stuff. And I use the word old. Why am I using the word old? Because frankly we are, but that's the good news. Can imagine if we weren't getting older, that's the, you but I wanted to talk today about something that's near and dear to my heart, because it's something that I've been doing for a lot of years. And that's about aging. Why aging? I read something that I, that I want to,

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repeat here because I think it's sort of the preface of where we're going. Age has given me what I was looking for my entire life. It gave me me. It provided the time and experience and failures and triumphs and friends who helped me stepping into the shape that had been waiting for me all my life. I fit into me now mostly. I have an organic life, finally. Not the one that people imagined for me. or that try to get me to have on life, but sometimes just a successful life. I have the life I dreamed of. I become the woman I hardly dared imagine I could be. Yeah, aging. We're all aging. That's the good news. So what do we do about that? What happens to our lives as we age? We live in the street view. We're living the life we're living. And yet at the same time, we're getting older and we're seeing things perhaps differently. Are we not?

Oh, for sure. know, aging to me is fascinating. when you look at a picture of yourself 10 years ago, 20 years ago or worse, right? It's striking, right? It's striking. But you don't notice it every day. But in order to have gotten from that picture 10 or 20 years ago from today, a lot had to change. And it didn't happen. It most likely didn't happen in a quantum sense, meaning it weren't

Yeah.

And it didn't happen, it mostly didn't happen in a quantum sense, it weren't sudden intermittent jumps. It was pretty much continuous, but you didn't notice it from day to day. Maybe you even notice it

sudden intermittent jumps. It was pretty much continuous, but you didn't notice it from day to day. Maybe you didn't even notice it from month to month. Probably didn't. But all of sudden, it becomes obvious. I think that is fascinating. I'll tell you a really quick story that just happened to me the other day. I was visiting my daughter and she has a cute little dog, little Labradoodle, cute little guy and sweet dog. And I was looking at him. And now I think he's about to be nine. And of course I've known him since he was a puppy, since they first got him when he was like eight weeks old, whatever. And I looked at his face. Now his color of his coat is the same, but his face now looks like the face of an old man in a dog, right? It is fascinating to see, right? Now I can't get into his head and he still does the same things he did when he was a puppy. jumps all over the place, chases balls, know, does all the things he always does. That's not any different. He hasn't...

Mm-hmm.

He hasn't really matured, he's just kind run out of steam a little bit, but he looks different, I mean that is so interesting. Aging is fascinating. First of all, it's completely unnecessary. So why do I say that?

really matured, he's just kind of run out of steam a little bit, but he looks different, right? Tell me that, was so interesting. Aging is fascinating. First of all, it's completely unnecessary. So why do I say that? So every cell in our body, except red blood cells, contains DNA. DNA is the oxyribonucleic acid. It's the software of life. It tells the cells what to do, and every cell has the exact same DNA. So a skin cell and our hair cell or a liver cell or a kidney cell, they all have the same DNA in them, but they don't, then it's not all expressed the same. So in other words, imagine a paragraph and you're only highlighting a single word or a few words on any particular page, right? So that the paragraph is always there, but you're not paying attention to every word. You're just paying attention to specific words at a time. And that's kind of how DNA is. just...

and you're only highlighting a single word or a few words on any particular page, right? So that the paragraph is always there, but you're not paying attention to every word. You're just paying attention to specific words at a time. And that's kind of how DNA is. We have what's called the genome, which is what our DNA says about, has all the information that's on it.

We have what's called the genome, is what our DNA says about, has all the information in our body. And then there's the phenotype, which is how it's expressed. cells might have the ability, DNA might have the ability to have choice A or choice B, but only choice B is expressed. We only see that visibly or it's only expressed as a certain protein, whatever. So. But it's all there and every cell has the exact same DNA except red blood cells, which don't have any. So the DNA is just software. It could be written anyway. So why do cells die? Well, the telomeres, which are part of the cell, they get old. But that doesn't have to be. The DNA could be written differently so that no cell dies, so that no cell ages. And if the cells don't age, we don't age, we could look exactly the same. There is no reason for us to age. There's no... We talked about things that came down from Mount Sinai on the tablets. There's nothing in the universe that says DNA has to be written so that we age. DNA could be written so that no cell ever changes, no cell ever dies, and therefore the organism, us, never changes and never dies. Perfectly reasonable. We just assume that we age and we die, but there's no reason for it really. In fact, for those many, many physicists who believe that there are an infinite number of universes,

talked about things that came down from Mount Sinai on the tablets. There's nothing in the universe that says DNA has to be written so that we age. DNA could be written so that no cell ever changes, no cell ever dies, and therefore the organism, us, never changes and never dies. Perfectly reasonable. We just assume that we age and we die, but there's no reason for it, really. In fact...

It is likely that DNA is different in different universes, that cells don't die, that cells live forever, that organisms don't die. It doesn't have to be that way. And probably in other universes, it probably doesn't exist that way. But in this particular universe, it does. We do age. And to me, that's always been like one of the best clues of why we're here, right? It doesn't have to be this way yet it is. Why? Because we definitely get smarter.

doesn't have to be that way. And probably in other universes, it probably doesn't exist that way. But in this particular universe, it does. We do age. And to me, that's always been one of the best clues of why we're here. It doesn't have to be this way, yet it is. Why? Because we definitely get smarter. We definitely learn along the way. We talked about the fact that it would be much more advantageous for the organism to be super smart at the age of 15 so it wouldn't do really stupid things, like jump off of a...

We definitely learn along the way. We've talked about the fact that it would be much more advantageous for the organism to be super smart at the age of 15. So we wouldn't do really stupid things, right? Like jump off of tall objects into water or take drugs or drive 100 miles an hour. It'd be much better for the organism if we were smart when we were 15 than when we get to be 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. It would make more sense. And yet it's not the way it is. we're smartest and we know the most, closer to the end, assuming we don't have dementia. And maybe even when we have dementia, we don't really understand what happens when people have dementia. Maybe they're still learning. I don't really know. Nobody knows. But the point is we learn all the way. Okay, so that's also very interesting. So aging, if you stop and think about it, A, it doesn't have to be this way. B, it is this way. C, we get smarter along the way. That's fascinating to think about. Why is that?

The is we learn all the way. Okay, so that's also very interesting. So aging, if you stop and think about it, A, it doesn't have to be this way. B, it is this way. C, we get smarter along the way. That's fascinating to think about. Why is that? So, you know, it's interesting too because products all over the marketplace about anti-aging. We want anti-age. We don't want to... skin to be wrinkled and we don't want to lose our hair, et cetera, et We want to anti-age. Do we really? What about aging? What about getting smarter? Maybe enjoying life more. In fact, they do survey after survey after survey and people are saying, I'm glad that I'm getting old because I don't worry about things that I used to worry about. don't have to, I don't care what I say to people anymore. That's a whole nother aspect, but also I'm having more fun. because the demands of life, the pressures of life that were imposed on us when we're younger are no longer there when we're older, maybe. Then there are, I give a speech, I've been giving this speech for a long time, that I call the indignity of aging, because the other side of aging is that those who are aging and not doing as well as those who are aging and doing well. What do I mean by that? There are those who are aging and they're living in poverty, and it's tough to be old and to be poor. Maybe they want to age. Maybe they just want to be over with it. for the most part, people enjoy aging. They're scared of it. They're scared of that thing that we've been talking about for a long time. You and I, Mark, about death. We're scared of death, even though you're explaining to us how we shouldn't be. And I appreciate that. And I keep thinking about that all the time as I lie in bed worrying about death. I keep checking my watch to make sure it's still ticking. That would mean I'm still ticking. But... But we are aging. And I just reached a milestone birthday and I'm proud to tell people my age. So many people don't wanna talk about their age. I'm 75. I'm glad that I lived 75 years. I know I'm not gonna live 75 more and I'm in the fourth quarter of this game, but I think it's a good thing that I'm at that age. You're a lot younger than I am, so you don't know what it's like to be 75. But tell me about going...

this age thing going from the street view to the aerial view while we're getting older. How does that look and how should it look and what should we be doing?

So you brought up one of my favorite topics and we're going right back to the jukebox of time, right? So first of all, you don't look 75. You certainly don't sound 75 or act 75. I'm not sure what that exactly means, but I think of you as a much younger person. But when I look, I've told you this, when I look at you or listen to you, I am not just seeing you today. I am seeing you in junior high school and high school. just, I see them all simultaneously because in the jukebox of time, they all exist. simultaneously. All of time is contemporaneous. It is best to think of time as a thing, as an entity, rather than a process. We think of time, you time flows. Not really. Time doesn't flow. It looks like it flows. You'd swear it flows like a river. It doesn't flow. It's a big giant thing. And I like to refer to it as the jukebox of time because it's easier to get an image of it when each moment of time is a record. and each record of time is playing simultaneously and forever. So here's a little quick analogy just to help people with this. Let's say had a group of kindergartners and you line them up side by side, not in a row, not one in front of the other, but side by side. And you start on the left and you say, okay, I want each of you to tell me your name. So the first child says, my name is Anne. The next one says, my name is Juan, my name is Charles and so on, right? That's one way, one after the other.

simultaneously and forever. So here's a little quick analogy just to help people with this. Let's say had a group of kindergartners and you line them up side by side. Not in a row, not one in front of other, but side by side. And you start on the left and you say, okay, I want each of you to tell me your name. So the first child says, my name is Anne. The next one says,

From the left side all the way to the right side, you go through the 25 kids and you hear 25 names. That's what most of us think of how time works, going from the left to the right, one after the other. each child saying the name could be like one moment after the next. The other way is to say to the kids, okay, when I count to three, I want you to all tell me your name. One, two, three, and 25 little tiny, cute, adorable voices belt out their names. You can't probably make out any of them because they're all singing at the same time, right? That's how time really works, right? It's not one after the other. They're all occurring simultaneously. And you can see that from the aerial view. That's where you get the appreciation of the jukebox of time. So aging takes on a totally different perspective. So I don't look at aging as going from left to right, from young to old. I say, let's go back to the book analogy, another one of my favorite analogies. So if you take a book, you open a book and... If you're reading it for the first time, you probably start on page one. And you read page after page after page, you get to the end. But let's say you've already read that book and you go, you know, I remember there was a story of that book. There was an episode, an incident that I was so fun when the main character was on a beach with her best friend and they ran into another friend and they just had this great time and they just had this wonderful conversation and everybody was happy and the sky was blue and they went... warm breezes blowing. was just a wonderful scene in my mind. I loved it. So you can go right to that scene. You don't have to read from page one. You go, I remember that was on page 57. You go right to page 57 and there's the scene you loved, right? You can do that in a life. That's the whole point of the aerial view and the jukebox of life. I can say, you know, I choose to see Enid back in ninth grade. So I'm going to just imagine, because I know it's still going on. So I can see you in ninth grade. can't.

It was just a wonderful scene in my mind. loved it. So you can go right to that scene. You don't have read from page one. You go, I remember that was on page 57. You go right to page 57, and there's the scene you love. You can do that in a life. That's the whole point of the aerial view in the few blocks of light. I can say, you know, I choose to see Enid back in ninth grade. So I'm going to just imagine the.

literally see you, but in my mind, I appreciate Enid in ninth grade the same way I appreciate you today. I just turned to a different page in the book. I didn't have to start on page one again. I already knew where you were. I'm going to page 57. That's Enid in ninth grade. Or I want to go back to when Enid was CEO of Meals on Wheels. So I'm going to go back X number years. I'm just going go back to that page in the metaphorical book of life, page 212, right? I don't have to start on page one and go back through your whole life. I'm just going to go right to then when you were, those 20 years when you were CEO of Meals on Wheels. So that's the way time works. So aging is a little bit of a misnomer. It's another one of life's incredible illusions. Aging is an illusion. Now people who are listening is going to go, here he goes again. If my wife were here, she'd be rolling her eyes. My coot would be walking out of the room. Even my dog, if he were alive, would have probably just flopped down and just ignored me. But it's true.

What do you mean by that?

Aging is an illusion. I'm going to tell you why. Because I want you to take every day of your 75 years and line them up. Just line them up in a row. They're all there. Each of those days, all those years, days that make up your 75 years. They are all active and going on. You can pluck one out from when you're 10, just as well as you can pluck one out when you're 50. It doesn't matter. In the jukebox of time, from the arrow of you, you can go to any moment. They all exist. So I used to get interested years ago in how people could have prophecies. You know, the Bible there's prophecies, there's Nostradamus. And then there are people today who think they can see the future. And I used to say, that's impossible. It's impossible to see the future because it hasn't occurred yet. But when you understand how time works, turns out the future has occurred. It's in that jukebox of time, just like the past and the present. So theoretically now, all of a sudden,

So I used to get interested years ago in how people didn't have prophecies, you know, the Bible has prophecies, there's no such thing this. And then there people today who think they can see the future. And I used to say...

I began to realize that, hmm, I don't know if it happens or not, but it is not impossible for somebody to see the future. In fact, I have a character in my last book, my novel Franklin Rock, who could see the future. And I will tell you, many of us do get glimpses of the future. They may be the coincidences we talked about, that you think about somebody and all of sudden the phone rings and it's them. You have seen the future. You got a glimpse. That's why you thought of that person before the phone rang. Right? That's the crazy part about it. You actually got a glimpse of the future. You just didn't realize it. And the reason you could do that is because the future exists. Now, I don't have proof. And there are going to be a lot of scientists and other people out there who are going to listen to me and think I'm just a nut job. I promise you, I am not a nut job. This is the way the world works. It's fascinating. The more you understand it and think about it, the more the light goes on. If all time

I promise you, I have not a nutshell. This is the way the world works. It's fascinating. The more you understand it and think about it, the more the light goes on. All time exists contemporaneously. Then theoretically, it is possible to get a glimpse of the future. So I believe that some of those connections we've talked about previously are exactly that. The little tiny glimpses of the future. I can't tell you why they're happening or how they happen. But.

exist contemporaneously, then theoretically, it is possible to get a glimpse of the future. So I believe that some of those connections we've talked about previously are exactly that, the little tiny glimpses of the future. I can't tell you why they're happening or how they happen, but this takes us back to aging. It's not the process. It looks like a process, right? We don't look like we did when we were 10 or 20 or 30, right? We don't look the same. I go back and look at pictures. I have a picture on my desk of my wife and me.

takes us back to aging. It's not the process. It looks like a process. We don't look like we did when we were 10 or 20. We don't look the same. I go back and look at things. I have a picture on my desk of my wife and I.

I know grammar doesn't count anymore, but I still try. My wife and me, although it doesn't sound as good, by the way. Have you noticed that? But it's more correct.

I was going to correct you, but you know. I know. but if you take, but it is absolutely, because you take away the wife and it's me. Yes, right. Yes. The object of my affection. Yes.

It's the object of the right, whatever it is, direct object, whatever. Anyway, enough. Yes. Yeah. So I look at her, I look at me and I go, my God, you know, what a difference. And then I have to stop and recognize the fact that that is a snapshot of one of the records in the jukebox of time. So if you took a picture of us next to each other today, we look a lot different, but it's just another snapshot.

Yeah.

off another record of time. all exist. So instead of thinking of aging as a process, imagine instead of being on page 25, now you're on page 327 of the book. That's the more correct way to look at it. Now that is super comforting. Why? Because you don't have to lament the fact that you're not as active and healthy as you were when you were 25. You're still 25. You are still 25 in the jukebox of time, right? You're 25, you're 26, you're 27, you're every year.

instead of being on page 25.

You're all those years simultaneously. You just happen to be on page 327 of the book right now, but you could hop back. If you hop back to page 26, there'd be that young 10-year-old in it. So you see my point? So you don't have to lament the fact that you're aging. You're not aging. You're just at a different part of the story. You're on a different page of the novel that makes up your life. That's all.

Mm-hmm. I do. maybe we're not aging, but maybe we're getting older. Maybe there's a difference. No, but we are. But age, I mean, in terms of number, I'm still not 26 anymore, so my number...

No, no, no, no, no. This is very important.

No, yes you are. Yes you are 26. That's the point I'm trying to make to you and to everybody listening. This is such a valuable, important, critical concept. don't know. No, it's my fault because you're super smart and if you're not getting it, it's my fault. Okay, so what I'm trying to tell you is you are, just imagine the book. Let's go back to that book metaphor, right? You were, on page 26, you were 10 years old. On page 50, you were 20 years old. On page 80, you were 25 years old, whatever, okay?

Let me go check my driver's license. Well, good. Well, then keep going, because obviously I'm not getting it. Go ahead.

So just like the pages of a book don't disappear, you can go back to those pages. They're still there, right? It's the same thing in here. In the jukebox of time, every moment exists contemporaneously, is alive. You are still 26, you are still 30, you are still 10, you are still yesterday, none of these moments go away. So the way to look at your life, say I'm on page 375 of a 500 page book, right?

Mm-hmm.

You could easily just go back to page 27 and be on that page, right? So you're not aging, you're at a different page. So if you look at your life as one thing, it's not a process, it's a thing. All the days of your life exist contemporaneously. It's an entity, it's not a process. We think it's a process, but it's not a process.

But you know what's interesting? You said, I'm going to catch you on this, you said just think of that you're on page 365 of a 500 page book. Well how do you know it's 500 pages? Thanks, didn't make me feel so good.

boy.

I tried to make you feel better. You know that great joke? You know this great joke? This is a great sport joke. It's worth taking your time after the sport joke. So these two buddies, three buddies get together all the time. They're always talking about baseball and have a great time. And one of the guys passes away. See the other two say, said, look, do me a favor. He said, you know, I really want to know what happens. I really want to know if there's baseball in heaven. whoever of us goes first, the other one has to come back.

Go ahead.

and tell them. So a couple of years go by and sure enough, one of them passes away and he comes back to his friend and he said, he said, Joe, I'm back. Well, what is it? Is there baseball in heaven? Well, I got good news and bad news. What's the good news? The good news is there is baseball in heaven. What's the bad news? You're pitching on Friday.

Good. I like that. I like that. Yeah.

Right? Right. But that's the point. Right? So you were always going to be pitching on Friday. It wasn't a process. You were always going to be pitching on Friday. You didn't know it, but you were always going to be pitching on Friday. Right? So instead of you pitching on Friday, I gave you another 15 years, so whatever. So maybe more, hopefully more.

Yeah.

So instead of you teaching on Friday, I gave you a seat on another course. Well, thank God. Good, because I have a rotator cuff injury and I got to practice. Me and Garrett Cole. no, yeah. Yes, I do.

Yeah, you're not pitching on Friday. But you see the point? The point is, instead of looking at life as aging as a process, like, and lamenting the fact, because in that concept is some lamentation that, oh, I'm not as young as I used to be. And the reason I feel so optimistic now is because I understand, oh, I don't have to lament the fact that I'm not 25. I am still 25. In that jukebox of time, that record when I'm 25 is always playing. I am always 25. I am always 26. I am always every age. That's the way it works. just enjoy page 376 just like you enjoyed page 26. We may not feel as well. I mean, we all have a bunch of things that hurt. You get up in the morning going, that doesn't work. Oops, another part isn't working, right? But I laugh about it now. go, this is what happens when on page 376.

That's the way it works. So just enjoy page 376 just like you enjoyed page 26. We may not feel as well, I mean we all have a bunch of things that hurt, get up in the morning going, but that doesn't work. Yeah.

This is what happens when you're on page 376. When you're on page 22, you don't have to worry about that, doesn't matter. It's not a fact. But now it's a fact. It's okay. It's just another page of my novel. I'm on every page forever, for eternity. So I'm just gonna enjoy this page as much as any other page. Whether it's a good page or a bad page, it's just one of the pages in my book. And I love that because I actually feel that way. don't feel my, which is why I'm never ever ashamed or embarrassed to say how old I am, to say my age.

When you're on page 22, you don't have to worry about that. It's not a fact. But now it's a fact. It's okay. It's just another page of my novel. I'm on every page forever, for eternity. So I'm just going to enjoy this page as much as any other page, whether it's a good page or a bad page. It's just one of the pages in my book.

Now, of course, want to say, when somebody asks me, want to say I'm on page 367. But, but, but, but, but, I think you're right. I think it's important. You began the conversation talking about on the cellular level, but our cells, do our cells change? Does that DNA ever change? Does the cellular makeup of my body change as I go through that jukebox?

Yes, so things get turned on and turned off, right? So, you know, why did I lose my hair? Well, some damn genes decided out with those in with the new ones. They got turned on, some got turned off. So there's a lot of control of the DNA. DNA doesn't change. There's something called epigenetics, which is something that controls what parts of the DNA are expressed and which aren't expressed. But the point is the DNA never changes. That's static. Unless there's a mutation, like you get A mutation occurs, let's say you're out in the sun too much and you get a mutation in a skin cell and it turns into a melanoma. So yeah, that's how DNA changes from mutations, either radiation or chemicals or things like that. That's why we get cancer. So why do get cancer? What's cancer? Cancer is the abnormal proliferation of bad cells that take over and push out the good cells. So what causes that? Well, it's a mutation in certain cells and it's very complicated obviously, but That's the general idea. the DNA is, going back, it's written in a specific way and it doesn't have to be written this way. It could be different. Just like on different and other universes, gravity, I'll give you an example. So gravity on Jupiter is a lot stronger than gravity on Earth. We couldn't exist on Jupiter. Our cellular function couldn't exist. The gravity would just eliminate the ability of many of the functions we need to live. But if we go to another universe, which is even a whole different concept, gravity could be a whole different concept. Everything could be different. The laws of physics could be different, not just our DNA. But in this, and almost, I would say the majority, I might not be getting this right, but a large number of brilliant physicists from the best places in the world believe that there are, in fact, near an infinite number of universes. Stephen Hawking believed that. He explained how universes could pop in and out of existence.

large number of brilliant physicists from the best places in the world believe that there are, in fact, near infinite number of universes. Stephen Hawking will be in fact, explain how universes can pop in and out of existence. So the fact that we live in this particular universe, these particular laws of physics, with the DNA that we have, that causes this, quote, aging, that we change, this is very peculiar to our universe. It's also, to me, another clue of...

So the fact that we live in this particular universe with these particular laws of physics, with the DNA that we have that causes this quote aging that we change, this is very peculiar to our universe. It's also to me another clue of purpose in our lives. I think we've talked about that before. I don't want to diverge from the concept of aging right now. But the point is that it could be different, but it's not. This is the way it is in this universe. And aging is a function of the changing expression of different genes and the function of how they work over time, which is why our hair gets gray and so on.

But let me ask you this. Right, but let me ask you about aging and Purpose. Does our purpose in fact change as we go through those records, as we get older, as we age? In other words, do we find that our purpose has changed at all or not? Or should it?

So I don't think so. No, again, everything that we discuss, I've come to over many years of interrogation, reading, studying, thinking, burned a lot of nights thinking. I think a lot in the shower, lot of long showers thinking. But it all could be wrong. I mean, I'm a human being, but I'm not divine. I think it's accurate. I'm pretty sure it's true.

Yeah.

And I've just joking with one of my friends that who doesn't believe anything I say, really close friend of mine. We were just talking the other day. said, you know, when you come back, you when you get to when you die and you get to the next site, you're to God, I can't believe it. Mark was right. And I was joking with him, right? Because I do believe this is correct. And I do believe the evidence points that way. But, you know, I'm I'm a humble guy. I could be wrong. But I think to answer your question, I do not believe that the purpose ever changes. I think. that the story of life is to me so crystal clear about why we're here that I don't think it changes. It's why we're wiser at the end than the beginning, because we're preparing. If we weren't preparing, we'd be wiser way earlier, because for the species survival, it makes a lot of sense to be smart when you're at most risk, like you're a teenager or a young kid, you know. But no, we get wiser right to the end. The fact that we are always learning is, to me, a very strong indication of preparation, so that our purpose is preparation. for whatever comes next, which believe me, I think as I've told you, I don't know any more than anybody else, but I think we have another job to do. And I think that's why this evolution from selfish to selfless, from inward to our focus is so critical to achieve. That's what we need to arrive at, to be prepared for what comes next. I think that's what the story of life teaches us.

Does it take a lifetime to get there?

No, some people get it pretty quickly. And some people like me are slow as molasses.

Well, I'm gonna ask you personal question and you can tell me that you're not gonna answer me, you can put me on mute. You have lots of grandchildren, you and I have talked about that, you've got 64 grandchildren, you've been very prolific in your life. No, I think you have six. Are you talking to those, when do you start talking to those kids about the area of you, changing the perspective of how they're looking at things? at their young ages. When do you, grandpa, start talking to those kids?

I love that question. First of I would never mute you ever, ever, But yes, I teach them. I try. You know, when they're young, it's hard. mean, these are all pretty, the oldest ones are eight, so they're still pretty little. But I do explain things to them, know, for things about maybe not the aerial view, but understand the power you have to interpret the world the way you want. And so you have complete control of how you feel. Right. And you don't have to pitch a fit and you don't have to get angry. You don't have to get embarrassed or things like When you're embarrassed, just know that there's a million other people embarrassed about the exact, million other kids who are embarrassed at exactly this moment about the same thing. So slowly over time, yes, I think it's my responsibility. It's my greatest joy. I'm so, I just came back from seeing a couple of them and it's, I think about that all the time. Okay, what's the appropriate thing to say to help them on the way at the right time? Don't overload them. Don't freak them out.

So slowly over time, yes, I think it's my responsibility, it's my greatest joy. I'm so, just came back from seeing a couple of them and it's, I think about that all Help them on the way at the right time. Don't overload them. Don't freak them out. Yeah.

don't scare them, but give them the tools. We talked about this. We want to give people the tools to deal with the street view. How do you manage the street view in a way that makes your life more calm, tranquil, less anxious and so on? And these are all tools that we want to learn and we want to teach. You and I, I know, want to spend time teaching, especially young people, how to do this. And yes, my grandchildren, absolutely. I think about that all the time and slowly but surely, that's my goal. And I always say, well, In case I don't get to it, I've got four books they can read about it. But no, do try to teach them. And think that's really, again, my responsibility and my great joy.

And maybe a purpose.

Yes, I think, well, of course, that's our purpose, right? Our purpose is to focus on other people. What I tell people now, and you know this, I'm more concerned about you than I am about me. First of it's easy because I'm not, hopefully not near the end of my life, but I've had a great life and if something would happen to me, it's not a tragedy by any stretch, right? And I am interested in helping as many people as I can. And not because I'm some fantastic human being, I'm anything but, but that's where the joy is. It's selfish. In a way, it's selfish to want to help people, as you know, because it makes you feel great, right? There's nothing that makes you feel better than helping other people.

Yes, yes, it's much more wonderful to give than to receive. There is no question about that. And having said all that, I'm about to give you an out here. Tell everybody where they can write in if they have questions, concerns, thoughts. What's the address?

Yeah, please send it. Yeah, please send us an email with any questions, comments, suggestions, criticisms, anything. It's just send an email to question at wisdom from the aerial view dot com. That's all one word question at wisdom from the aerial view dot com. Thank you all for listening. Thank you, Enid, for another great time together. And we'll see you all soon.

Thank you. And let's just hope that I'm not pitching on Friday. Peace. Bye bye. Bye bye.

You're not pitching on Friday. So bomb that either. Bye bye.